1 00:01:18,853 --> 00:01:21,559 You did a wonderful job. Wonderful. 2 00:01:23,569 --> 00:01:25,644 You did it. You did it! 3 00:01:28,991 --> 00:01:34,283 To continue, you've listened to a long and complex case, murder in the first degree. 4 00:01:34,373 --> 00:01:39,417 Premeditated murder is the most serious charge tried in our criminal courts. 5 00:01:39,506 --> 00:01:44,215 You've listened to the testimony, had the law interpreted as it applies in this case. 6 00:01:44,303 --> 00:01:49,014 It's now your duty to sit down and try and separate the facts from the fancy. 7 00:01:49,102 --> 00:01:53,350 One man is dead. Another man's life is at stake. 8 00:01:53,441 --> 00:01:57,486 If there's a reasonable doubt in your minds as to the guilt of the accused - 9 00:01:57,570 --> 00:02:02,399 a reasonable doubt-then you must bring me a verdict of not guilty. 10 00:02:02,493 --> 00:02:06,540 If there's no reasonable doubt, then you must, in good conscience, 11 00:02:06,624 --> 00:02:09,542 find the accused guilty. 12 00:02:09,628 --> 00:02:13,497 However you decide, your verdict must be unanimous. 13 00:02:13,592 --> 00:02:17,043 In the event that you find the accused guilty, 14 00:02:17,137 --> 00:02:20,424 the bench will not entertain a recommendation for mercy. 15 00:02:20,517 --> 00:02:23,769 The death sentence is mandatory in this case. 16 00:02:24,147 --> 00:02:28,394 You are faced with a grave responsibility. Thank you, gentlemen. 17 00:02:29,695 --> 00:02:32,983 The alternate jurors are excused. 18 00:02:37,497 --> 00:02:39,989 The jury will now retire. 19 00:05:00,433 --> 00:05:03,270 - Wanna piece of gum? - No, thanks. 20 00:05:03,604 --> 00:05:06,178 This thing isn't movin'. 21 00:05:08,945 --> 00:05:12,611 - I'll give you a hand. - That's it. 22 00:05:17,373 --> 00:05:20,742 You know somethin'? I called the Weather Bureau this morning. 23 00:05:20,835 --> 00:05:23,838 This is gonna be the hottest day of the year. 24 00:05:23,923 --> 00:05:26,592 You'd think they'd air-condition this place. 25 00:05:26,677 --> 00:05:29,927 - What is your name, sir? - Oh, it's... that one. Yeah. 26 00:05:30,014 --> 00:05:34,179 Thank you very much. OK, gentlemen. Everybody's here. 27 00:05:34,270 --> 00:05:39,431 Now, if there's anything you want, I'll be right outside the door. Just knock. 28 00:05:52,043 --> 00:05:54,794 Good morning. I never knew they locked the door. 29 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:57,916 Sure they lock the door. What'd you think? 30 00:05:58,008 --> 00:06:01,130 I don't know. It just never occurred to me. 31 00:06:01,971 --> 00:06:05,923 - What's that for? - I thought we might wanna vote by ballot. 32 00:06:06,019 --> 00:06:10,183 Great idea. Maybe we can get him elected senator. 33 00:06:16,032 --> 00:06:19,865 - How'd you like it? - I don't know. It was pretty interesting. 34 00:06:19,954 --> 00:06:24,700 - Yeah? I almost fell asleep. - I mean, I've never been on a jury before. 35 00:06:24,792 --> 00:06:27,367 No? I've sat on many juries. 36 00:06:28,506 --> 00:06:33,883 Those lawyers talk and talk, even when it's an open-and-shut case like this one. 37 00:06:33,972 --> 00:06:37,556 - Ever hear so much talk about nothin'? - I guess they're entitled. 38 00:06:37,643 --> 00:06:40,894 They're entitled. It's the system, but... 39 00:06:40,982 --> 00:06:45,609 if you ask me, I'd slap those tough kids down before they start any trouble. 40 00:06:45,695 --> 00:06:49,232 It saves a lot of time and money. Let's get started. 41 00:06:49,325 --> 00:06:51,996 Yeah. We've probably all got things to do here. 42 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,028 We can start with a five-minute break. One gentleman is in the bathroom. 43 00:06:56,124 --> 00:06:58,203 Are... we gonna sit in order? 44 00:06:58,296 --> 00:07:01,001 Gee, I don't know. I guess so. 45 00:07:05,805 --> 00:07:08,297 - Buddy, you're in my seat. - Oh, excuse me. 46 00:07:08,392 --> 00:07:10,467 That's all right. 47 00:07:11,729 --> 00:07:14,434 Hey, that's not a bad view, huh? 48 00:07:17,237 --> 00:07:21,816 What did you think of the case? I mean, it had a lot of interest for me. 49 00:07:21,908 --> 00:07:25,742 No real... dead spots. You know what I mean? 50 00:07:25,831 --> 00:07:30,459 We were lucky to get a murder case. I figured us for an assault or burglary. 51 00:07:30,545 --> 00:07:33,251 Boy, they can be the dullest! 52 00:07:34,342 --> 00:07:39,586 - Hey, is that the Woolworth Building? - That's right. 53 00:07:39,682 --> 00:07:43,634 Isn't that funny? I've lived here all my life. I've never been inside it. 54 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:47,775 If you had to sort out all that junk, like that thing with the movies. 55 00:07:47,859 --> 00:07:50,862 Yeah. What about that business with the knife? 56 00:07:50,947 --> 00:07:53,984 Asking grown-up people to believe that kind of jazz. 57 00:07:54,075 --> 00:07:56,829 You expect that. You know what we're dealing with. 58 00:07:56,913 --> 00:07:58,573 Yeah, I guess so. 59 00:07:59,166 --> 00:08:02,168 Well, your horn works. Now try your lights. 60 00:08:02,253 --> 00:08:06,254 - You got a cold? - And how. Hot-weather colds can kill you. 61 00:08:06,343 --> 00:08:08,798 I can hardly touch my nose. Know what I mean? 62 00:08:08,886 --> 00:08:11,592 Sure do. I just got over one. 63 00:08:12,433 --> 00:08:17,013 - Oh, come on! Mr Foreman, let's go. - The guy's still in the bathroom. 64 00:08:17,106 --> 00:08:20,940 What's new? I didn't get a chance to see a paper this morning. 65 00:08:21,027 --> 00:08:23,437 I was only wondering how the market closed. 66 00:08:23,531 --> 00:08:28,028 - You got a seat on the exchange? - I'm a broker. 67 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,197 I run a messenger service. 68 00:08:30,291 --> 00:08:32,616 The Beck and Call Company. 69 00:08:32,709 --> 00:08:34,953 The name is my wife's idea. 70 00:08:35,047 --> 00:08:38,581 Got 37 men workin'. Started with nothin'. 71 00:08:38,675 --> 00:08:41,381 OK, men. Let's take our seats, huh? 72 00:08:45,017 --> 00:08:50,262 We can all get out of here pretty quick. I have tickets to that ball game tonight. 73 00:08:50,358 --> 00:08:54,142 Yanks and Cleveland. We've got this kid Modjelewski in there. 74 00:08:54,237 --> 00:08:56,527 He's a real bull, this kid. You know... 75 00:08:57,826 --> 00:08:59,949 Real jug-handled. You know? 76 00:09:02,665 --> 00:09:06,616 You're a real baseball fan, aren't ya? Where do we sit here? 77 00:09:06,712 --> 00:09:09,748 I thought we'd sit in order, by jury numbers. 78 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,543 One, two, three and so on around the table, if that's OK with you gentlemen. 79 00:09:13,638 --> 00:09:16,723 - What's the difference? - It's reasonable to sit in order. 80 00:09:16,809 --> 00:09:23,478 - Let it be. - That's twelve. We go around one, two... 81 00:09:23,568 --> 00:09:27,648 What was your impression of the prosecuting attorney? 82 00:09:27,739 --> 00:09:30,528 - I beg pardon? - I thought he was really sharp, 83 00:09:30,619 --> 00:09:34,488 the way he handled all those points one by one, in logical sequence. 84 00:09:34,583 --> 00:09:39,459 - I was very impressed. - I think he... he did an expert job. 85 00:09:39,546 --> 00:09:42,750 A lot of drive, too. You know? Real drive. 86 00:09:42,842 --> 00:09:46,296 OK, fellas. Can we hold it down a minute? Fellas? 87 00:09:46,390 --> 00:09:48,549 Say, we'd like to get started. 88 00:09:48,643 --> 00:09:51,514 Gentleman at the window. 89 00:09:51,605 --> 00:09:54,772 - We'd like to get started. - Oh, I'm sorry. 90 00:09:54,859 --> 00:09:59,901 - The kid kills his father, just like that. - Listen, it happens all the time. 91 00:09:59,990 --> 00:10:02,280 They let those kids run wild up there. 92 00:10:02,369 --> 00:10:05,323 Well, maybe it serves him right. You know what I mean? 93 00:10:05,414 --> 00:10:08,368 - Is everyone here? - The old man is inside. 94 00:10:08,458 --> 00:10:11,212 - Would you knock on the door for him? - Yeah. 95 00:10:12,297 --> 00:10:15,501 - Are you a Yankee fan? - No, Baltimore. 96 00:10:15,886 --> 00:10:17,962 Baltimore? 97 00:10:18,682 --> 00:10:22,727 That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day. 98 00:10:22,812 --> 00:10:26,595 Who have they got? Who have they got besides good groundkeepers? 99 00:10:26,690 --> 00:10:29,896 - Say, we'd like to get started. - Forgive me, gentlemen. 100 00:10:29,988 --> 00:10:33,689 - I didn't mean to keep you waiting. - Baltimore? 101 00:10:34,034 --> 00:10:39,826 OK, if I can have your attention. You fellas can handle this thing any way you want. 102 00:10:39,917 --> 00:10:42,670 I'm... you know, I'm not gonna make any rules. 103 00:10:42,754 --> 00:10:48,711 We can, well, discuss it first, then vote on it. That's, of course... that's one way. 104 00:10:48,804 --> 00:10:51,556 And, well, we can vote on it right now. 105 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,394 I think it's customary to take a preliminary vote. 106 00:10:54,478 --> 00:10:58,311 Yeah, let's vote. Who knows? Maybe we can all get outta here. 107 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:06,031 OK. Then I think that you know that we have a first-degree murder charge here, 108 00:11:06,118 --> 00:11:11,245 and if we vote the accused guilty, we've got to send him to the chair. 109 00:11:11,333 --> 00:11:13,955 Um... That's mandatory. 110 00:11:14,045 --> 00:11:17,082 - I think we know that. - Yeah, let's see who's where. 111 00:11:17,175 --> 00:11:20,875 - OK. Anyone doesn't wanna vote? - It's fine with me. 112 00:11:22,096 --> 00:11:27,473 OK, then, just remember that this has to be twelve to nothing, either way. 113 00:11:27,562 --> 00:11:30,599 That's the law. OK, are we ready? 114 00:11:30,691 --> 00:11:34,229 All those voting guilty, please raise your hands. 115 00:11:37,491 --> 00:11:41,490 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven... 116 00:11:42,415 --> 00:11:44,823 eight, nine, ten, eleven. 117 00:11:44,918 --> 00:11:47,410 OK, that's eleven guilty. 118 00:11:47,964 --> 00:11:50,041 Those voting not guilty? 119 00:11:50,509 --> 00:11:52,716 One. Right. 120 00:11:52,803 --> 00:11:57,596 Eleven guilty, one not guilty. Well, now we know where we are. 121 00:11:57,684 --> 00:12:00,852 Boy, oh boy! There's always one. 122 00:12:02,191 --> 00:12:04,896 So, what do we do now? 123 00:12:04,986 --> 00:12:08,072 - I guess we talk. - Boy, oh boy! 124 00:12:08,158 --> 00:12:11,076 You really think he's innocent? 125 00:12:13,705 --> 00:12:16,958 - I don't know. - You sat in court with the rest of us. 126 00:12:17,044 --> 00:12:20,211 You heard what we did. The kid's a dangerous killer. 127 00:12:20,297 --> 00:12:23,749 - He's 18 years old. - Well, that's old enough. 128 00:12:23,843 --> 00:12:26,716 He stabbed his own father four inches into the chest. 129 00:12:26,806 --> 00:12:29,476 They proved it a dozen different ways in court. 130 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:33,096 - Would you like me to list 'em for you? - No. 131 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:36,399 - Then what do you want? - I just want to talk. 132 00:12:36,485 --> 00:12:39,653 What's there to talk about? Eleven of us think he's guilty. 133 00:12:39,740 --> 00:12:42,066 No one had to think about it twice except you. 134 00:12:42,159 --> 00:12:45,328 I want to ask you something. Do you believe his story? 135 00:12:45,414 --> 00:12:49,710 - I don't know. Maybe I don't. - So how come you voted not guilty? 136 00:12:49,795 --> 00:12:51,668 There were eleven votes for guilty. 137 00:12:51,754 --> 00:12:56,834 It's not easy to raise my hand and send a boy off to die without talking about it first. 138 00:12:56,929 --> 00:13:00,464 - Well, now, who says it's easy? - No one. 139 00:13:00,558 --> 00:13:05,353 What? Just because I voted fast? I honestly think the guy is guilty. 140 00:13:05,439 --> 00:13:08,110 Couldn't change my mind if you talked for 100 years. 141 00:13:08,194 --> 00:13:10,899 I'm not trying to change your mind. It's just that... 142 00:13:10,989 --> 00:13:14,109 This is somebody's life. We can't decide in five minutes. 143 00:13:14,201 --> 00:13:18,615 - Supposing we're wrong? - Supposing this building fell on my head? 144 00:13:18,707 --> 00:13:21,578 - You can suppose anything. - That's right. 145 00:13:21,668 --> 00:13:26,712 What's the difference how long it takes? Supposin' we take five minutes? So what? 146 00:13:26,801 --> 00:13:31,713 Let's take an hour. The ball game doesn't start till eight o'clock. 147 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,897 - Who's got something to say? - I'm willing to sit for an hour. 148 00:13:39,984 --> 00:13:45,325 - Great. I heard a good story last night... - That's not why we're sitting here. 149 00:13:45,409 --> 00:13:49,574 All right, then you tell me. What are we sitting here for? 150 00:13:50,248 --> 00:13:53,035 I don't know. Maybe no reason. 151 00:13:53,126 --> 00:13:56,580 Look, this kid's been kicked around all of his life. 152 00:13:56,674 --> 00:14:00,458 You know, born in a slum, mother dead since he was nine. 153 00:14:00,553 --> 00:14:02,925 He lived for a year and a half in an orphanage 154 00:14:03,014 --> 00:14:05,969 when his father was serving a jail term for forgery. 155 00:14:06,059 --> 00:14:08,385 That's not a very happy beginning. 156 00:14:08,479 --> 00:14:12,146 He's a wild, angry kid. That's all he's ever been. And you know why? 157 00:14:12,235 --> 00:14:16,104 Cos he's been hit on the head by somebody once a day, every day. 158 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,491 He's had a pretty miserable 18 years. I think we owe him a few words, that's all. 159 00:14:21,580 --> 00:14:26,327 I don't mind telling you this, mister. We don't owe him a thing. He got a fair trial. 160 00:14:26,420 --> 00:14:30,966 What do you think that trial cost? He's lucky he got it. Know what I mean? 161 00:14:31,052 --> 00:14:35,346 Look, we're all grown-ups in here. We heard the facts, didn't we? 162 00:14:35,431 --> 00:14:39,762 You're not gonna tell me we're supposed to believe this kid, knowing what he is. 163 00:14:39,854 --> 00:14:42,097 I've lived among them all my life. 164 00:14:42,191 --> 00:14:47,483 You can't believe a word they say. You know that. I mean, they're born liars. 165 00:14:47,574 --> 00:14:50,824 - Only an ignorant man can believe that. - Now, listen... 166 00:14:50,910 --> 00:14:53,782 Do you think you were born with a monopoly on the truth? 167 00:14:53,872 --> 00:14:56,661 Certain things should be pointed out to this man. 168 00:14:56,752 --> 00:15:01,830 - It's not Sunday. We don't need a sermon. - We have a job to do. Now let's do it. 169 00:15:01,925 --> 00:15:05,709 Rice Pops. It's a product I work on at the agency. 170 00:15:05,804 --> 00:15:08,342 "The breakfast with the built-in bounce." 171 00:15:08,432 --> 00:15:10,806 - I wrote that line. - Very catchy. 172 00:15:10,895 --> 00:15:15,558 - Say, do you mind? - I'm sorry. I have this habit of doodling. 173 00:15:15,651 --> 00:15:18,606 - It keeps me thinking clearly. - We have work to do. 174 00:15:18,696 --> 00:15:21,782 There's no point staying here for ever. OK. 175 00:15:22,327 --> 00:15:28,497 Perhaps if the gentleman down there who is disagreeing with us could tell us why. 176 00:15:28,584 --> 00:15:32,630 Tell us what you're thinking. We might be able to show you where you're mixed up. 177 00:15:32,715 --> 00:15:39,431 Maybe this is an idea. It seems to me that it's up to us to convince this gentleman 178 00:15:39,515 --> 00:15:45,141 that he's wrong and we're right. Maybe if we each took a couple of minutes just to... 179 00:15:45,231 --> 00:15:49,099 - Well, it was just a quick idea. - No, no, no. That's a good one. 180 00:15:49,194 --> 00:15:51,233 Supposing we go once around the table? 181 00:15:51,446 --> 00:15:53,441 I guess you're first. 182 00:15:57,289 --> 00:15:59,862 It's hard to put into words. 183 00:16:00,709 --> 00:16:03,000 I just think he's guilty. 184 00:16:03,089 --> 00:16:06,872 I thought it was obvious from the word go. Nobody proved otherwise. 185 00:16:06,967 --> 00:16:10,966 Nobody has to prove otherwise. The burden of proof's on the prosecution. 186 00:16:11,056 --> 00:16:15,305 The defendant doesn't even have to open his mouth. That's in the Constitution. 187 00:16:15,395 --> 00:16:19,643 Sure, I know that. What I meant was... 188 00:16:20,402 --> 00:16:24,103 Well... I just think he's guilty. I mean, somebody saw him do it. 189 00:16:24,198 --> 00:16:29,443 OK. Here's what I think. And I have no personal feelings about this. 190 00:16:29,539 --> 00:16:32,576 I just wanna talk about facts. 191 00:16:32,668 --> 00:16:35,076 Number one. 192 00:16:35,171 --> 00:16:39,383 The old man lived downstairs under the room where the killing took place. 193 00:16:39,468 --> 00:16:43,170 At 10 minutes after 12 on the night of the killing, he heard loud noises. 194 00:16:43,265 --> 00:16:45,341 Said it sounded like a fight. 195 00:16:45,434 --> 00:16:48,222 And he heard the kid yell out "I'm gonna kill ya." 196 00:16:48,313 --> 00:16:50,639 A second later, he heard a body hit the floor. 197 00:16:50,732 --> 00:16:55,147 Ran to the door, opened it up, saw the kid run down the stairs and out of the house. 198 00:16:55,239 --> 00:16:59,155 Called the police. They found the old man with the knife in his chest. 199 00:16:59,243 --> 00:17:02,495 The coroner fixed the time of death around midnight. 200 00:17:02,582 --> 00:17:07,921 Now, these are facts. You can't refute facts. The kid is guilty. 201 00:17:08,004 --> 00:17:11,292 I'm just as sentimental as the next fella. I know he's only 18. 202 00:17:11,385 --> 00:17:15,549 - But he's still gotta pay for what he did. - I'm with you. 203 00:17:15,641 --> 00:17:19,508 - OK. Are you finished? - Yeah. 204 00:17:19,603 --> 00:17:23,104 It is obvious to me that the boy's entire story was flimsy. 205 00:17:23,191 --> 00:17:25,100 He claimed he was at the movies, 206 00:17:25,193 --> 00:17:29,146 yet he couldn't remember the names of the films he saw or who played in them. 207 00:17:29,242 --> 00:17:32,029 - That's right. - And no one saw him at the theatre. 208 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:36,498 And the woman across the street-if her testimony don't prove it, nothing does. 209 00:17:36,583 --> 00:17:41,046 - That's right. She actually saw the killing. - Fellas, please. Let's go in order. 210 00:17:41,131 --> 00:17:43,209 Just a minute. Here's a woman... 211 00:17:44,554 --> 00:17:49,132 Here's a woman who's lying in bed. She can't sleep. She's dyin' with the heat. 212 00:17:49,225 --> 00:17:52,311 She looks out the window, and right across the street 213 00:17:52,396 --> 00:17:56,016 she sees the kid stick the knife into his father. 214 00:17:56,110 --> 00:17:59,231 The time is 12.10 on the nose. Everything fits. 215 00:17:59,322 --> 00:18:01,613 She's known the kid all his life. 216 00:18:01,701 --> 00:18:05,568 His window is opposite hers across the el tracks. She swore she saw him do it. 217 00:18:05,663 --> 00:18:08,238 Through the windows of a passing el train. 218 00:18:08,334 --> 00:18:12,583 This el train had no passengers on it. It was just being moved downtown. 219 00:18:12,674 --> 00:18:16,009 The lights were out, and they proved in court that at night 220 00:18:16,094 --> 00:18:19,927 you can look through the windows and see what's happening on the other side. 221 00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:23,183 - They proved it. - I'd like to ask you something. 222 00:18:23,269 --> 00:18:26,189 You don't believe the boy. How come you believe the woman? 223 00:18:26,274 --> 00:18:29,525 She's one of "them" too, isn't she? 224 00:18:30,654 --> 00:18:34,570 - You're a pretty smart fella, aren't ya? - OK, gentlemen. Now, gentlemen. 225 00:18:34,660 --> 00:18:38,954 - Come on, sit down. Sit down. - What's he so wise about? I'm telling ya... 226 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,327 Come on. Now we're not gonna get anywhere fighting. 227 00:18:42,421 --> 00:18:46,669 - Whose turn is it next? - Oh, his. Number five. 228 00:18:49,930 --> 00:18:52,505 May I... Can I pass? 229 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,472 Well... That's your privilege. 230 00:18:55,562 --> 00:18:57,805 How about the next gentleman? 231 00:18:57,899 --> 00:19:00,473 Oh. Well... I don't know. 232 00:19:00,569 --> 00:19:05,231 I started to be convinced, you know, very early in the case. 233 00:19:05,324 --> 00:19:08,529 You see, I was looking for a motive. 234 00:19:08,621 --> 00:19:14,163 That's very important because if you don't have a motive, where's your case, right? 235 00:19:14,254 --> 00:19:20,008 Anyway, that testimony from those people across the hall from the kid's apartment, 236 00:19:20,093 --> 00:19:25,517 that was very powerful. Didn't they say something about a fight, an argument, 237 00:19:25,601 --> 00:19:29,897 between the old man and his son around about seven o'clock that night? 238 00:19:29,982 --> 00:19:33,316 - I could be wrong but... - It was eight o'clock, not seven. 239 00:19:33,402 --> 00:19:39,194 They heard an argument. Then they heard the father hit the boy twice. 240 00:19:39,285 --> 00:19:43,534 Finally they saw the boy run, angry, out of the house. What does that prove? 241 00:19:43,626 --> 00:19:46,627 It don't prove anything. It's just part of the picture. 242 00:19:46,713 --> 00:19:49,880 You said it provided a motive. So did the prosecution. 243 00:19:49,967 --> 00:19:52,089 That wasn't a very strong motive. 244 00:19:52,178 --> 00:19:56,093 This boy has been hit so many times that violence is practically... 245 00:19:56,183 --> 00:19:58,510 It's a normal state of affairs with him. 246 00:19:58,602 --> 00:20:02,850 I just can't see two slaps in the face provoking him into committing murder. 247 00:20:02,941 --> 00:20:07,485 It may have been two too many. Everyone has a breaking point. 248 00:20:08,782 --> 00:20:11,072 Anything else? 249 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,531 - No. - OK. How about you? 250 00:20:16,126 --> 00:20:19,543 I don't know. It's all been said. 251 00:20:19,631 --> 00:20:23,084 You can talk here for ever. It's still the same thing. 252 00:20:23,469 --> 00:20:28,348 This kid is five for 0. Well, look at his record. 253 00:20:28,436 --> 00:20:32,729 When he was 10, he was in children's court: He threw a rock at a teacher. 254 00:20:32,815 --> 00:20:36,897 When he was 15, he was in reform school: He stole a car. 255 00:20:36,988 --> 00:20:41,816 He's been arrested for muggin'. He was picked up twice for knife fightin'. 256 00:20:41,910 --> 00:20:46,620 They say he's real handy with a knife. Oh, this is a very fine boy. 257 00:20:46,708 --> 00:20:51,253 Ever since he was five, his father beat him up regularly. He used his fists. 258 00:20:51,339 --> 00:20:53,832 So would I. A kid like that? 259 00:20:53,927 --> 00:20:57,261 It's these kids - the way they are nowadays. 260 00:20:59,517 --> 00:21:03,218 When I was a kid, I used to call my father "sir". 261 00:21:03,312 --> 00:21:06,480 That's right. Ever hear a kid call his father that any more? 262 00:21:06,566 --> 00:21:09,937 Fathers don't seem to think it's important any more. 263 00:21:10,030 --> 00:21:12,439 - You got any kids? - Three. 264 00:21:13,493 --> 00:21:15,569 I got one. 265 00:21:16,496 --> 00:21:18,574 He's 22 years old. 266 00:21:24,257 --> 00:21:28,719 When he was nine years old, he ran away from a fight. 267 00:21:28,805 --> 00:21:33,597 I saw it. I was so embarrassed, I almost threw up. 268 00:21:33,686 --> 00:21:39,144 I said "I'm gonna make a man out of you if I have to break you in two tryin'." 269 00:21:40,736 --> 00:21:43,442 Well, I made a man out of him. 270 00:21:43,531 --> 00:21:46,237 When he was 16, we had a fight. 271 00:21:47,495 --> 00:21:50,616 Hit me in the jaw. He was a big kid. 272 00:21:53,170 --> 00:21:56,125 I haven't seen him for two years. 273 00:21:58,552 --> 00:22:00,628 Kids. 274 00:22:01,055 --> 00:22:03,131 You work your heart out... 275 00:22:05,644 --> 00:22:09,180 - Well, let's get goin'. - I think we're missing the point. 276 00:22:09,275 --> 00:22:12,940 This boy's the product of a broken home and a filthy neighbourhood. 277 00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:16,529 We can't help that. We're here to decide his innocence or guilt, 278 00:22:16,617 --> 00:22:19,572 not to go into the reasons why he grew up the way he did. 279 00:22:19,663 --> 00:22:24,207 He was born in a slum. Slums are breeding grounds for criminals. 280 00:22:24,293 --> 00:22:29,751 It's no secret that children from slums are potential menaces to society. I think... 281 00:22:29,842 --> 00:22:34,056 You can say that again. The kids who crawl out of these places are real trash. 282 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:39,563 - I don't want any part of them. - Listen, I... I've lived in a slum all my life. 283 00:22:39,647 --> 00:22:41,474 - Wait a minute. - Please. I... 284 00:22:41,566 --> 00:22:44,520 I've played in back yards that were filled with garbage. 285 00:22:44,611 --> 00:22:47,399 - Maybe you can still smell it on me. - Listen, sonny... 286 00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:49,863 Come on, now. There's nothing personal. 287 00:22:49,951 --> 00:22:53,537 Come on, fella. He didn't mean you. Let's not be so sensitive. 288 00:22:53,624 --> 00:22:56,330 This sensitivity I can understand. 289 00:22:56,419 --> 00:23:01,248 OK, look. Let's stop the arguing. We're only wasting time. 290 00:23:01,341 --> 00:23:03,833 Your turn down there. Let's go. 291 00:23:04,930 --> 00:23:08,845 I didn't expect a turn. I thought you were all gonna to try to convince me. 292 00:23:08,935 --> 00:23:11,143 - That was the idea. - I forgot. He's right. 293 00:23:11,229 --> 00:23:14,562 He's the one keeping us in here. Let's hear what he's got to say. 294 00:23:14,649 --> 00:23:18,519 Wait. We decided to do this a certain way. I think we ought to stick to it. 295 00:23:18,614 --> 00:23:20,903 Oh, stop being a kid, will ya? 296 00:23:20,992 --> 00:23:25,656 - What do you mean, a kid? - What do you think I mean? K-I-D: Kid. 297 00:23:28,127 --> 00:23:30,879 Just because I'm trying to keep this organised? 298 00:23:30,963 --> 00:23:35,176 Here, you take on the responsibility. I'll just keep my mouth shut. 299 00:23:35,261 --> 00:23:38,631 - Why are you gettin' so hot? Calm down. - Don't tell me to calm down. 300 00:23:38,723 --> 00:23:41,097 You want to take the chair? Take the chair. 301 00:23:41,186 --> 00:23:43,559 Did you ever see such a thing? 302 00:23:43,647 --> 00:23:46,981 - You think it's funny? - Forget it, fella. It's unimportant. 303 00:23:47,067 --> 00:23:48,977 Unimportant? Here, you try it. 304 00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:52,191 Nobody wants to change. You're doing a beautiful job. 305 00:23:52,283 --> 00:23:57,909 Yeah, you're doin' great. Just great, fella. You stay in there and pitch. 306 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,617 All right, let's hear from somebody. 307 00:24:01,712 --> 00:24:05,876 Well, if you want me to tell you how I feel about it, it's all right with me. 308 00:24:05,967 --> 00:24:10,928 - Boy, I don't care what you do. - All right. I don't have anything brilliant. 309 00:24:11,015 --> 00:24:13,176 I only know as much as you do. 310 00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:16,934 According to the testimony, the boy looks guilty. Maybe he is. 311 00:24:17,023 --> 00:24:21,734 I sat there in court for six days listening while the evidence built up. 312 00:24:21,822 --> 00:24:23,899 Everybody sounded so positive. 313 00:24:23,991 --> 00:24:28,903 I began to get a peculiar feeling about this trial. I mean, nothing is that positive. 314 00:24:28,997 --> 00:24:33,412 There are questions I'd have liked to ask. Maybe they wouldn't mean anything but... 315 00:24:33,504 --> 00:24:38,297 I felt that the defence wasn't conducting a thorough enough cross-examination. 316 00:24:38,384 --> 00:24:41,303 He let too many things go by-little things. 317 00:24:41,389 --> 00:24:44,224 What little things? When they don't ask questions, 318 00:24:44,308 --> 00:24:47,226 it's because they know the answers already. 319 00:24:47,313 --> 00:24:52,226 It's also possible for a lawyer to be just plain stupid, isn't it? I mean, it's possible. 320 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:55,404 You sound like you met my brother-in-law once. 321 00:24:57,410 --> 00:25:03,781 I kept putting myself in the kid's place. I'd have asked for another lawyer, I think. 322 00:25:03,875 --> 00:25:06,285 I mean, if I was on trial for my life, 323 00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:11,375 I'd want my lawyer to tear the prosecution witnesses to shreds, or at least try to. 324 00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:15,717 Look, there was one alleged eyewitness to this killing. 325 00:25:15,809 --> 00:25:19,343 Someone else claims he heard the killing, saw the boy run out after, 326 00:25:19,437 --> 00:25:21,646 and there was circumstantial evidence. 327 00:25:21,734 --> 00:25:25,683 But those two witnesses were the entire case for the prosecution. 328 00:25:25,780 --> 00:25:27,240 Supposing they're wrong? 329 00:25:27,324 --> 00:25:30,658 What do you mean? What's the point of having witnesses at all? 330 00:25:30,744 --> 00:25:35,123 - Could they be wrong? - Those people were under oath. 331 00:25:35,208 --> 00:25:39,209 They're only people. People make mistakes. Could they be wrong? 332 00:25:39,297 --> 00:25:42,382 - Well, no. I don't think so. - Do you know so? 333 00:25:42,468 --> 00:25:45,920 Nobody can know a thing like that. This isn't an exact science. 334 00:25:46,014 --> 00:25:48,506 That's right, it isn't. 335 00:25:52,522 --> 00:25:55,015 OK, let's get to the point. 336 00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:58,230 What about the switch knife they found in the old man's chest? 337 00:25:58,321 --> 00:26:01,526 Some people haven't talked yet. Shouldn't we go in order? 338 00:26:01,618 --> 00:26:05,201 They'll get a chance to talk. Be quiet a second, will ya? 339 00:26:05,289 --> 00:26:09,953 What about the knife this fine, upright boy admitted buying the night of the killing? 340 00:26:10,046 --> 00:26:13,664 - Let's talk about it. - All right. Let's get it in here and look at it. 341 00:26:13,758 --> 00:26:18,802 - I'd like to see it again. Mr Foreman? - Why do we have to see it again? 342 00:26:18,891 --> 00:26:22,509 The gentleman has a right to see exhibits in evidence. 343 00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:26,564 - Say, could you bring us the knife? - The knife? Sure. 344 00:26:27,901 --> 00:26:31,521 The knife and the way it was bought is strong evidence, don't you think? 345 00:26:31,615 --> 00:26:35,448 - I do. - Good. Let's take the facts one at a time. 346 00:26:35,537 --> 00:26:38,955 One: The boy admitted leaving the house at eight o'clock at night 347 00:26:39,042 --> 00:26:41,250 after being slapped by his father. 348 00:26:41,337 --> 00:26:46,214 No, he didn't say "slapped". He said "punched". There's a difference. 349 00:26:46,301 --> 00:26:48,840 After being hit several times by his father. 350 00:26:48,929 --> 00:26:52,929 Two: He went directly to a local junk shop where he bought one of those... 351 00:26:53,018 --> 00:26:55,428 - Switch knives. - Switchblade knives. 352 00:26:55,523 --> 00:27:00,231 This wasn't an ordinary knife. It had a very unusual carved handle and blade. 353 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:04,863 The storekeeper said it was the only one of its kind he had ever had in stock. 354 00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:10,196 Three: He met some friends of his in front of a tavern about 8.45. Am I right so far? 355 00:27:10,292 --> 00:27:12,330 - Yes, you are. - You bet he is. 356 00:27:12,418 --> 00:27:15,871 He talked with his friends for an hour, leaving them at 9.45. 357 00:27:15,965 --> 00:27:18,754 During this time, they saw the switch knife. 358 00:27:18,844 --> 00:27:25,727 Four: They identified the death weapon in court as that very same knife. 359 00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:28,647 Five: He arrived home at about ten o'clock. 360 00:27:28,731 --> 00:27:33,027 This is where the stories offered by the State and the boy diverge slightly. 361 00:27:33,112 --> 00:27:35,605 He claims that he went to a movie at about 11.30, 362 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:39,994 returning home at 3.10 to find his father dead and himself arrested. 363 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,161 He also claims that the two detectives threw him down a half a flight of stairs. 364 00:27:44,252 --> 00:27:48,120 What happened to the knife? He claims it fell through a hole in his pocket 365 00:27:48,215 --> 00:27:51,965 on the way to the movies, sometime between 11.30 and 3.10, 366 00:27:52,054 --> 00:27:55,721 and that he never saw it again. Now, there is a tale, gentlemen. 367 00:27:55,809 --> 00:27:59,093 I think it's clear the boy never went to the movies that night. 368 00:27:59,186 --> 00:28:02,973 No one in the house saw him go out. No one at the theatre identified him. 369 00:28:03,068 --> 00:28:06,354 He couldn't even remember the names of the pictures he saw. 370 00:28:08,074 --> 00:28:10,069 What actually happened is this. 371 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,446 The boy stayed home, had another fight with his father, 372 00:28:13,538 --> 00:28:17,040 stabbed him to death and left the house at 10 minutes after 12. 373 00:28:17,128 --> 00:28:19,916 He even wiped the knife clean of fingerprints. 374 00:28:20,007 --> 00:28:24,420 Are you trying to tell me that this knife fell through a hole in the boy's pocket, 375 00:28:24,512 --> 00:28:26,886 someone picked it up, went to the boy's house 376 00:28:26,974 --> 00:28:29,929 and stabbed his father with it just to test its sharpness? 377 00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:32,262 No, but it's possible the boy lost his knife 378 00:28:32,356 --> 00:28:35,442 and somebody else stabbed his father with a similar knife. 379 00:28:35,528 --> 00:28:38,019 Take a look at this knife. 380 00:28:39,031 --> 00:28:41,239 It's a very unusual knife. 381 00:28:41,326 --> 00:28:45,574 I've never seen one like it. Neither had the storekeeper who sold it to the boy. 382 00:28:45,665 --> 00:28:48,915 Aren't you asking us to accept an incredible coincidence? 383 00:28:49,002 --> 00:28:53,797 - I'm just saying a coincidence is possible. - And I say it's not possible. 384 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,557 Where did that come from? 385 00:29:01,643 --> 00:29:04,431 - It's the same knife! - What do you think you're doin'? 386 00:29:04,522 --> 00:29:08,225 - Where did you get it? - I went out walking last night. 387 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,396 Through the boy's neighbourhood. 388 00:29:10,489 --> 00:29:15,781 I bought that at a pawn shop two blocks from the boy's house. It cost six dollars. 389 00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:18,623 It's against the law to buy or sell switchblade knives. 390 00:29:18,707 --> 00:29:21,911 - That's right. I broke the law. - You pulled a real bright trick. 391 00:29:22,003 --> 00:29:24,496 Now supposing you tell me what it proves. 392 00:29:24,591 --> 00:29:27,841 - Maybe there are ten knives like that. - Maybe there are! 393 00:29:27,928 --> 00:29:32,924 What does it mean? You found a knife like it. What's that? The discovery of the age? 394 00:29:33,018 --> 00:29:37,231 You think somebody else did the stabbing with exactly the same kind of knife? 395 00:29:37,315 --> 00:29:40,317 - The odds are a million to one. - It's possible! 396 00:29:40,403 --> 00:29:44,567 - But not very probable. - OK, fellas. Let's take our seats. 397 00:29:44,657 --> 00:29:48,194 There's no point standing around all over the place. 398 00:29:48,288 --> 00:29:51,991 It's interesting that he'd find a knife exactly like the boy's. 399 00:29:52,086 --> 00:29:56,664 - What's interesting about it? Interesting! - I just thought it was interesting. 400 00:29:56,757 --> 00:29:59,084 Eleven of us still think he's guilty. 401 00:29:59,177 --> 00:30:03,010 Right. You're not gonna change anybody's mind. 402 00:30:03,099 --> 00:30:05,388 If you wanna hang this jury, go ahead. 403 00:30:05,477 --> 00:30:09,643 The kid'll be tried again and found guilty, as sure as he's born. 404 00:30:09,983 --> 00:30:12,106 You're probably right. 405 00:30:12,194 --> 00:30:15,031 So, what are you gonna do? We can be here all night. 406 00:30:15,115 --> 00:30:18,401 It's only one night. A boy may die. 407 00:30:18,493 --> 00:30:21,246 Well, why don't we just set up house here? 408 00:30:21,330 --> 00:30:23,658 Someone send for a pinochle deck 409 00:30:23,752 --> 00:30:27,416 and we'll just sweat the whole thing out right here. 410 00:30:27,505 --> 00:30:31,339 - I don't think he oughta joke about it. - What do you want me to do about it? 411 00:30:31,428 --> 00:30:34,548 I don't see what the knife has got to do with anything. 412 00:30:34,641 --> 00:30:37,559 Somebody saw the kid stab his father. What more do we need? 413 00:30:37,645 --> 00:30:40,481 You guys can talk the ears right off my head. 414 00:30:40,565 --> 00:30:45,108 I got three garages going to pot. So let's get done and get outta here. 415 00:30:45,195 --> 00:30:48,779 The knife was important to the district attorney. He spent a day... 416 00:30:48,868 --> 00:30:51,703 He's a 15th assistant or something. What does he know? 417 00:30:51,788 --> 00:30:56,083 Let's hold it down. These side arguments are only slowin' us up. 418 00:30:57,921 --> 00:31:01,289 - Well, what about it? - You're the only one. 419 00:31:08,684 --> 00:31:14,856 I have a proposition to make to all of you. I'm going to call for another vote. 420 00:31:14,943 --> 00:31:17,731 I want you eleven men to... 421 00:31:17,822 --> 00:31:20,230 vote by secret written ballot. 422 00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:25,327 I'll abstain. If there are eleven votes for guilty, I won't stand alone. 423 00:31:25,414 --> 00:31:30,327 We'll take in a guilty verdict to the judge right now. 424 00:31:30,421 --> 00:31:35,629 But if anyone votes not guilty, we'll stay here and talk it out. 425 00:31:37,514 --> 00:31:42,342 - That's it. If you want to try it, I'm ready. - All right. Let's do it the hard way. 426 00:31:42,436 --> 00:31:46,271 That sounds fair. Everyone agreed? Anyone doesn't agree? 427 00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:48,435 OK, pass these along. 428 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,356 Guilty. 429 00:32:25,158 --> 00:32:26,818 Guilty. 430 00:32:28,581 --> 00:32:30,241 Guilty. 431 00:32:31,877 --> 00:32:33,536 Guilty. 432 00:32:34,755 --> 00:32:36,416 Guilty. 433 00:32:37,801 --> 00:32:39,461 Guilty. 434 00:32:41,095 --> 00:32:42,757 Guilty. 435 00:32:43,266 --> 00:32:44,927 Guilty. 436 00:32:45,937 --> 00:32:47,597 Guilty. 437 00:32:51,694 --> 00:32:53,687 Not guilty. 438 00:32:53,780 --> 00:32:55,321 Guilty. 439 00:32:55,406 --> 00:32:59,571 - Boy, how do you like that? - And another chap flips his wings! 440 00:32:59,661 --> 00:33:02,498 All right. Who was it? Come on, I wanna know. 441 00:33:02,583 --> 00:33:06,249 Excuse me. This was a secret ballot. We all agreed on that, no? 442 00:33:06,337 --> 00:33:08,794 If the gentleman wants it to remain secret... 443 00:33:08,883 --> 00:33:14,471 Secret? What do you mean? There are no secrets in a jury room. I know who it was. 444 00:33:14,557 --> 00:33:18,805 Brother, you really are somethin'. You vote guilty like the rest of us, 445 00:33:18,896 --> 00:33:22,100 then some golden-voiced preacher tears your heart out - 446 00:33:22,192 --> 00:33:25,478 some underprivileged kid couldn't help becoming a murderer - 447 00:33:25,571 --> 00:33:29,320 and you change your vote. If that isn't the most sickening... 448 00:33:29,409 --> 00:33:32,862 Why don't you drop a quarter in his collection box? 449 00:33:32,955 --> 00:33:37,619 Oh, now just wait a... Listen, you can't talk to me like that. Who do you think you are? 450 00:33:37,712 --> 00:33:40,499 Calm down, calm down. It doesn't matter. 451 00:33:40,589 --> 00:33:44,210 - He's very excitable. Sit down. - Excitable? You bet I'm excitable! 452 00:33:44,304 --> 00:33:47,638 We're tryin' to put a guilty man in the chair, where he belongs. 453 00:33:47,725 --> 00:33:51,427 Someone starts tellin' us fairy tales and we're listenin'! 454 00:33:52,106 --> 00:33:57,018 - What made you change your vote? - He didn't change his vote. I did. 455 00:33:57,112 --> 00:33:59,104 - Oh, fine. - I knew it. 456 00:33:59,197 --> 00:34:03,067 - Would you like me to tell you why? - No, I wouldn't like you to tell me why. 457 00:34:03,162 --> 00:34:07,243 - I'd like to anyway, if you don't mind. - Do we have to listen to this? 458 00:34:07,334 --> 00:34:10,834 - The man wants to talk. - Thank you. 459 00:34:10,921 --> 00:34:14,292 This gentleman has been standing alone against us. 460 00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:16,626 He doesn't say the boy is not guilty. 461 00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:21,634 He just isn't sure. It's not easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others. 462 00:34:21,728 --> 00:34:26,473 So he gambled for support and I gave it to him. I respect his motives. 463 00:34:26,566 --> 00:34:31,231 The boy on trial is probably guilty, but... I want to hear more. 464 00:34:31,323 --> 00:34:34,989 The vote is ten to two. I'm talking! You have no right to leave this room! 465 00:34:35,078 --> 00:34:38,365 He can't hear you. He never will. Let's sit down. 466 00:34:43,547 --> 00:34:47,593 - Shall we continue? - Well, I think we ought to take a break. 467 00:34:47,677 --> 00:34:52,307 You know, one man's inside and I think we ought to wait for him. 468 00:34:55,061 --> 00:34:57,897 Looks like we're really hung up here, huh? 469 00:34:57,981 --> 00:35:02,481 I mean, that thing with the old man, that was pretty unexpected. 470 00:35:02,573 --> 00:35:06,191 Wish I could figure out some way we could break it up. 471 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:12,617 You know, in advertising... I told you I worked in an agency? 472 00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:16,545 Some pretty strange people work there. Well, not strange, really. 473 00:35:16,633 --> 00:35:20,928 I guess it's just they have peculiar ways of expressing themselves. 474 00:35:21,013 --> 00:35:24,015 I suppose it's the same in your business too, huh? 475 00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:26,639 - What do you do? - I'm a watchmaker. 476 00:35:26,729 --> 00:35:30,858 Really? I imagine the finest watchmakers in the world come from Europe. 477 00:35:30,943 --> 00:35:33,945 Anyway, in an agency, when we reach a point like this... 478 00:35:34,031 --> 00:35:37,863 I'm telling him, in an ad agency when a point like this is reached in a meeting, 479 00:35:37,952 --> 00:35:41,072 there's always some character ready with an idea, see. 480 00:35:41,164 --> 00:35:43,573 It kills me. It's the weirdest thing, 481 00:35:43,667 --> 00:35:46,705 the way they sometimes precede their idea with a phrase. 482 00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:50,498 Like, some account exec will get up and he'll say: 483 00:35:50,593 --> 00:35:56,929 "OK, here's an idea. Let's... run it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it." 484 00:35:57,018 --> 00:35:59,557 I mean, it's idiotic, but it's funny. 485 00:35:59,647 --> 00:36:03,265 I... got a little excited back there. 486 00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:06,314 I... didn't mean to get nasty. 487 00:36:07,657 --> 00:36:12,996 Glad you're not one of those who lets these emotional appeals influence him. 488 00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:30,807 I don't know what's the matter with that fan. 489 00:36:40,575 --> 00:36:43,826 - Are you a salesman? - I'm an architect. 490 00:36:46,541 --> 00:36:49,377 You know what the soft sell is? 491 00:36:51,756 --> 00:36:54,793 Well, you've got it, believe me. 492 00:36:55,301 --> 00:36:57,841 I've got a different technique. 493 00:36:57,931 --> 00:37:01,882 Laughs, drinks, jokes, tricks. You know? 494 00:37:02,895 --> 00:37:04,973 Yeah. 495 00:37:05,607 --> 00:37:09,024 Hit 'em where they live-that's my motto. 496 00:37:09,112 --> 00:37:12,814 I made 27 grand last year sellin' marmalade. 497 00:37:12,909 --> 00:37:16,493 That's not bad. I mean, you know, considerin' marmalade. 498 00:37:18,624 --> 00:37:21,331 What are you gettin' out of this? Kicks? 499 00:37:22,089 --> 00:37:25,788 Or did somebody bump you on the head once and you haven't gotten over it? 500 00:37:25,883 --> 00:37:30,214 - Maybe. - You know, you do-gooders are all alike. 501 00:37:30,306 --> 00:37:34,934 You're always blowin' your stacks over some guy that fanned. 502 00:37:36,148 --> 00:37:38,852 But what are you wastin' our time for? 503 00:37:38,943 --> 00:37:44,448 Why don't you donate five dollars to the cause? Maybe it'll make you feel better. 504 00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,277 This kid is guilty, pal. 505 00:37:48,371 --> 00:37:53,165 It's as plain as the nose on your face. So why don't we stop wastin' our time here? 506 00:37:53,252 --> 00:37:56,125 We're gonna all get sore throats if we keep it up. 507 00:37:56,215 --> 00:38:00,047 What difference does it make if you get it here or at the ball game? 508 00:38:00,136 --> 00:38:02,545 No difference, pal. 509 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,718 No difference at all. 510 00:38:16,408 --> 00:38:21,368 - Nice bunch of guys, huh? - They're about the same as anyone else. 511 00:38:21,456 --> 00:38:23,947 Boy, what a murderous day. 512 00:38:24,376 --> 00:38:28,126 - Do you think we'll be much longer? - I don't know. 513 00:38:28,215 --> 00:38:31,917 He's guilty for sure. Not a doubt in the whole world. 514 00:38:32,012 --> 00:38:35,761 We should've... We should've been done already. 515 00:38:36,684 --> 00:38:39,093 Oh, I don't mind, you know. 516 00:38:39,188 --> 00:38:41,264 Beats workin'. 517 00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:52,112 - You think he's not guilty, huh? - I don't know. It's possible. 518 00:38:52,203 --> 00:38:56,251 Well, I don't know you, but I'm bettin' you've never been wronger in your life. 519 00:38:56,335 --> 00:38:58,744 You're wastin' your time. You ought to wrap it up. 520 00:38:58,838 --> 00:39:01,711 Supposing you were the one who was on trial? 521 00:39:01,801 --> 00:39:05,051 Well, I'm not used to supposin'. I'm just a workin' man. 522 00:39:05,138 --> 00:39:08,091 My boss does the supposin'. But... 523 00:39:08,182 --> 00:39:10,261 I'll try one. 524 00:39:11,062 --> 00:39:14,515 Supposin' you talk us all out of this and... 525 00:39:14,609 --> 00:39:18,442 the kid really did knife his father, huh? 526 00:39:25,706 --> 00:39:27,747 Are you ready? 527 00:39:29,211 --> 00:39:31,287 Sorry, blue eyes. 528 00:39:32,006 --> 00:39:35,128 - Well, where else? - OK, fellas. Let's take our seats. 529 00:39:35,219 --> 00:39:39,882 - Looks like we'll be here for dinner. - OK, now let's get down to business. 530 00:39:39,975 --> 00:39:41,802 - Who wants to start? - I will. 531 00:39:41,894 --> 00:39:44,766 - OK, go. - You, down there. 532 00:39:44,856 --> 00:39:48,902 The old man who lived downstairs says he heard the kid yell "I'm gonna kill ya." 533 00:39:48,987 --> 00:39:51,479 A second later, he heard the body hit the floor. 534 00:39:51,573 --> 00:39:56,699 He ran to the door and saw the kid run out of the house. What's that mean to you? 535 00:39:56,787 --> 00:40:00,373 I wonder how clearly he heard the boy's voice through the ceiling. 536 00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:04,542 He didn't. The window was open. So was the one upstairs. It was a hot night. 537 00:40:04,633 --> 00:40:08,215 It was another apartment. It's not easy to identify a shouting voice. 538 00:40:08,303 --> 00:40:10,131 He identified it in court. 539 00:40:10,223 --> 00:40:14,684 The lady across the street looked right in the open window and saw the stabbing. 540 00:40:14,770 --> 00:40:17,263 - Isn't that enough for you? - No, it isn't. 541 00:40:17,358 --> 00:40:21,106 Boy, how do you like this guy? It's like talkin' into a dead phone. 542 00:40:21,195 --> 00:40:24,280 She said she saw it through the windows of a moving el train. 543 00:40:24,366 --> 00:40:27,901 There were six cars on the train. She saw it through the last two. 544 00:40:27,995 --> 00:40:31,994 She remembered insignificant details. How can you argue with that? 545 00:40:32,084 --> 00:40:37,424 Has anybody here any idea how long it would take an el... 546 00:40:46,938 --> 00:40:49,429 This isn't a game. 547 00:40:52,612 --> 00:40:54,937 Did you see him? 548 00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:58,319 The nerve! The absolute nerve! 549 00:40:58,411 --> 00:41:02,243 - Forget it. It's not important. - This isn't a game? 550 00:41:02,332 --> 00:41:05,748 - Who does he think he is? - Forget it now. 551 00:41:05,836 --> 00:41:11,129 Any idea how long it takes an el train at medium speed to pass a given point? 552 00:41:11,219 --> 00:41:13,093 - What has that to do with it? - Guess. 553 00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:15,554 - I wouldn't have any idea. - What do you think? 554 00:41:15,642 --> 00:41:20,351 - I don't know. Ten, twelve seconds? - A pretty good guess. Anyone else? 555 00:41:20,438 --> 00:41:23,108 - Sounds right to me. - What's the guessing game for? 556 00:41:23,192 --> 00:41:25,066 - What do you say? - Ten seconds. 557 00:41:25,153 --> 00:41:28,440 - All right. What are you getting at? - This. 558 00:41:28,533 --> 00:41:32,200 It takes a six-car el train ten seconds to pass a given point. 559 00:41:32,288 --> 00:41:36,749 Say the given point is the open window of the room where the killing took place. 560 00:41:36,835 --> 00:41:39,837 You can reach out and almost touch the el tracks, right? 561 00:41:39,922 --> 00:41:43,792 Now let me ask you this. Has anyone here ever lived near the el tracks? 562 00:41:43,887 --> 00:41:48,681 I just finished painting an apartment that overlooked an el line. It took three days. 563 00:41:48,768 --> 00:41:53,145 - What was it like? Noisy? - Oh, brother! No matter. We were punchy. 564 00:41:53,231 --> 00:41:55,936 I lived in an apartment near the el line once. 565 00:41:56,026 --> 00:41:59,147 When the window's open, the train noise is almost unbearable. 566 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,941 - You can hardly hear yourself think. - Will you get to the point? 567 00:42:03,036 --> 00:42:08,115 I will. Now, let's take two pieces of testimony and try to put them together. 568 00:42:08,209 --> 00:42:12,423 First: The old man in the apartment downstairs. 569 00:42:12,507 --> 00:42:15,047 He says he heard the boy say "I'm gonna kill you", 570 00:42:15,136 --> 00:42:17,805 and a split second later heard a body hit the floor. 571 00:42:17,890 --> 00:42:19,632 - One second later. - Right. 572 00:42:19,724 --> 00:42:22,430 Second: The woman across the street 573 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,566 swore positively she looked out of the window and saw the killing 574 00:42:26,651 --> 00:42:30,066 through the last two cars of a passing el train-the last two cars. 575 00:42:30,154 --> 00:42:32,907 - What are you givin' us here? - Now, just a minute. 576 00:42:32,992 --> 00:42:38,154 We've agreed that it takes ten seconds for a train to pass a given point. 577 00:42:38,248 --> 00:42:41,452 Since the woman saw the killing through the last two cars, 578 00:42:41,544 --> 00:42:46,968 we can assume that the body hit the floor just as the train went by. 579 00:42:47,053 --> 00:42:51,346 Therefore, the train had been roaring by the old man's window 580 00:42:51,432 --> 00:42:54,849 a full ten seconds before the body hit the floor. 581 00:42:54,937 --> 00:43:00,146 The old man - "I'm gonna kill you", body hitting the floor a second later - 582 00:43:00,236 --> 00:43:04,400 would have had to hear the boy's words with the el roaring past his nose! 583 00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:07,409 - It's not possible he heard it. - Of course he heard it. 584 00:43:07,494 --> 00:43:10,829 - Do you think so? - He said he yelled at the top of his voice. 585 00:43:10,916 --> 00:43:14,168 He couldn't have identified the voice with the el roaring by. 586 00:43:14,254 --> 00:43:17,090 It was a matter of seconds! Nobody can be that accurate. 587 00:43:17,174 --> 00:43:22,383 Testimony that could put a boy into the electric chair should be that accurate. 588 00:43:23,934 --> 00:43:28,347 - I don't think he could have heard it. - Maybe he didn't, with all that el noise. 589 00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:32,355 - What are you people talkin' about? - It stands to reason he couldn't have. 590 00:43:32,445 --> 00:43:36,525 - Why lie? What's he got to gain? - Attention, maybe. 591 00:43:36,616 --> 00:43:41,824 You keep comin' in with bright sayings. Send 'em to a paper! They pay $3 apiece! 592 00:43:41,915 --> 00:43:44,702 What are you talkin' to him like that for? 593 00:43:44,794 --> 00:43:48,330 A guy who talks like that to an old man really oughta get stepped on. 594 00:43:48,424 --> 00:43:51,460 You oughta have more respect, mister. 595 00:43:51,552 --> 00:43:56,631 You say stuff like that to him again... I'm gonna lay you out. 596 00:44:06,071 --> 00:44:08,943 You go ahead. You say anything you like. 597 00:44:10,034 --> 00:44:13,155 Why do you think the old man might lie? 598 00:44:13,248 --> 00:44:17,293 It was just that I looked at him for a very long time. 599 00:44:17,378 --> 00:44:20,629 The seam of his jacket was split, under the shoulder. 600 00:44:20,716 --> 00:44:25,094 Did you notice that? I mean, to come into court like that. 601 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,970 He was a very old man in a torn jacket. 602 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,979 And he walked very slowly to the stand. 603 00:44:35,067 --> 00:44:39,363 He was dragging his left leg and trying to hide it, 604 00:44:39,448 --> 00:44:41,987 because he was ashamed. 605 00:44:42,076 --> 00:44:46,290 I think I know this man better than anyone here. 606 00:44:46,375 --> 00:44:49,210 This is a quiet, frightened, 607 00:44:49,294 --> 00:44:51,751 insignificant old man who... 608 00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:54,593 who has been nothing all his life. 609 00:44:54,677 --> 00:44:59,589 Who has never had recognition or his name in the newspapers. 610 00:44:59,683 --> 00:45:03,895 Nobody knows him. Nobody quotes him. 611 00:45:03,979 --> 00:45:07,729 Nobody seeks his advice after 75 years. 612 00:45:08,694 --> 00:45:13,323 Gentlemen, that's a very sad thing - to mean nothing. 613 00:45:13,409 --> 00:45:18,237 A man like this needs to be quoted, to be listened to. 614 00:45:18,373 --> 00:45:22,455 To be quoted just once - very important to him. 615 00:45:22,545 --> 00:45:25,582 It would be so hard for him to recede into the background. 616 00:45:25,674 --> 00:45:29,756 Wait a minute. Are you tellin' us he'd lie just so he could be important once? 617 00:45:29,847 --> 00:45:32,682 No. He wouldn't really lie. 618 00:45:32,767 --> 00:45:36,138 But perhaps he made himself believe he heard those words 619 00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:38,555 and recognised the boy's face. 620 00:45:38,650 --> 00:45:41,058 That's the most fantastic story ever. 621 00:45:41,152 --> 00:45:45,069 How can you make up a thing like that? What do you know about it? 622 00:45:53,878 --> 00:45:57,379 - Does anybody want a cough drop? - I'll take one. 623 00:45:57,467 --> 00:46:01,050 I still don't see how anybody can think he's not guilty. 624 00:46:01,138 --> 00:46:05,302 There's something else I'd like to talk about for a minute. Thanks. 625 00:46:05,393 --> 00:46:09,439 We've proved the old man couldn't have heard the boy say "I'm gonna kill you." 626 00:46:09,523 --> 00:46:13,439 - You didn't prove it at all! - Wait. Supposing he really did hear it? 627 00:46:13,529 --> 00:46:17,399 This phrase, how many times have all of us used it? Probably thousands. 628 00:46:17,494 --> 00:46:22,488 "I could kill you for that." "Junior, do that again and I'll kill you." "Rocky, kill him." 629 00:46:22,582 --> 00:46:27,791 - It doesn't mean we'd really kill anybody. - The phrase was: "I'm gonna kill you." 630 00:46:27,881 --> 00:46:30,171 The kid yelled it at the top of his lungs. 631 00:46:30,259 --> 00:46:33,878 Don't tell me he didn't mean it. Anybody says it like that, they mean it! 632 00:46:33,972 --> 00:46:35,882 Gee, I don't know. 633 00:46:35,975 --> 00:46:39,724 I was arguing with the guy I work next to at the bank a few weeks ago. 634 00:46:39,812 --> 00:46:42,270 He called me an idiot, so I yelled at him. 635 00:46:42,358 --> 00:46:45,146 This guy is trying to make you believe what isn't so! 636 00:46:45,237 --> 00:46:47,314 The kid said he'd kill him and he did! 637 00:46:47,406 --> 00:46:52,069 Do you really think the boy'd shout it out so the whole neighbourhood could hear? 638 00:46:52,162 --> 00:46:57,076 - He's much too bright for that. - Bright? He's a common, ignorant slob. 639 00:46:57,169 --> 00:46:59,246 He don't even speak good English. 640 00:46:59,339 --> 00:47:02,791 He doesn't even speak good English. 641 00:47:04,303 --> 00:47:08,172 Mr Foreman, I'd like to change my vote to not guilty. 642 00:47:08,810 --> 00:47:10,933 - You what? - You heard me. 643 00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:14,473 - Are you sure? - Yeah, I'm sure. 644 00:47:14,567 --> 00:47:17,237 The vote is nine to three in favour of guilty. 645 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,812 Well, if this isn't the livin' end! 646 00:47:23,953 --> 00:47:27,538 What are you basin' it on? Stories this guy made up? 647 00:47:27,625 --> 00:47:31,708 You oughta write for one of those kooky detective magazines, make a fortune. 648 00:47:31,798 --> 00:47:35,464 For cryin' out loud, the kid's own lawyer knew he didn't stand a chance. 649 00:47:35,552 --> 00:47:39,088 Right from the beginning, his own lawyer knew, and you could see it. 650 00:47:39,181 --> 00:47:43,395 Boy, oh boy, I'm telling ya. This guy here is really somethin'. 651 00:47:43,479 --> 00:47:46,849 The kid had a lawyer, didn't he? He presented his case, not you. 652 00:47:46,941 --> 00:47:49,814 - How come you say so much? - Lawyers aren't infallible. 653 00:47:49,904 --> 00:47:52,941 - Baltimore, please. - He was court-appointed. 654 00:47:53,033 --> 00:47:55,239 - What's that supposed to mean? - A lot. 655 00:47:55,328 --> 00:47:58,580 He didn't want the case or he resented being appointed. 656 00:47:58,666 --> 00:48:03,127 It's the kind of case that brings no money, no glory, not much chance of winning. 657 00:48:03,212 --> 00:48:06,333 That's not a very promising situation for a young lawyer. 658 00:48:06,425 --> 00:48:11,339 He'd really have to believe in his client to put up a good case. Obviously he didn't. 659 00:48:11,433 --> 00:48:13,510 Of course he didn't. 660 00:48:14,396 --> 00:48:16,721 Who the heck could? 661 00:48:16,815 --> 00:48:19,769 Except maybe some guy's mother or somebody. 662 00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:22,779 Oh, look. Will you look at the time? Come on. 663 00:48:22,865 --> 00:48:26,399 Pardon me. I have made some notes here, 664 00:48:26,493 --> 00:48:29,910 and I would like, please, to say something. 665 00:48:29,998 --> 00:48:32,786 I have been listening very carefully and... 666 00:48:32,877 --> 00:48:36,746 it seems to me that this man has some very good points to make. 667 00:48:36,841 --> 00:48:41,504 From what was presented at the trial, the boy looks guilty, on the surface. 668 00:48:41,597 --> 00:48:45,430 - But maybe if we go deeper... - Come on, will ya? 669 00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,761 There is a question I would like to ask. 670 00:48:47,854 --> 00:48:51,307 Let us assume that the boy really did commit the murder. 671 00:48:51,401 --> 00:48:54,770 Now, this happened at 10 minutes after 12. 672 00:48:54,863 --> 00:48:57,402 Now, how was he caught by the police? 673 00:48:57,492 --> 00:49:01,621 He came back home... at three o'clock or so, 674 00:49:01,705 --> 00:49:05,492 and he was captured by two detectives in the hallway of his house. 675 00:49:05,587 --> 00:49:10,214 Now, my question is: If he really had killed his father, 676 00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:13,754 why would he come back home three hours later? 677 00:49:13,848 --> 00:49:16,718 Wouldn't he be afraid of being caught? 678 00:49:16,809 --> 00:49:20,891 He came home for his knife. It's not nice to leave knives in people's chests. 679 00:49:20,982 --> 00:49:23,817 Yeah, especially relatives'. 680 00:49:23,902 --> 00:49:26,524 I don't see anything funny about it. 681 00:49:26,614 --> 00:49:29,818 The boy knew the knife could be identified. 682 00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:34,406 - He had to get it before the police did. - If he knew the knife could be identified, 683 00:49:34,498 --> 00:49:37,121 why did he leave it there in the first place? 684 00:49:37,210 --> 00:49:42,669 I think we can assume the boy ran out in a state of panic, having just killed his father. 685 00:49:42,759 --> 00:49:45,762 He calmed down and realised he'd left his knife there. 686 00:49:45,846 --> 00:49:48,764 This, then, depends on your definition of panic. 687 00:49:48,850 --> 00:49:53,811 He would have had to be calm enough to wipe off any fingerprints left on the knife. 688 00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:57,768 Now, where did this panic start and where did it end? 689 00:49:57,863 --> 00:50:00,651 You voted guilty. What side are you on? 690 00:50:00,741 --> 00:50:03,909 I don't believe I have to be loyal to one side or the other. 691 00:50:03,995 --> 00:50:09,240 - I'm simply asking questions. - This is just off the top of my head but... 692 00:50:09,336 --> 00:50:13,550 If I'd done the stabbing, I'd take a chance and go back for the knife. 693 00:50:13,634 --> 00:50:16,206 I'll bet he figured nobody'd seen him running out 694 00:50:16,303 --> 00:50:19,092 and the body wouldn't be discovered till the next day. 695 00:50:19,183 --> 00:50:23,395 After all, it was the middle of the night. He figured it'd be found the next day. 696 00:50:23,479 --> 00:50:25,519 Pardon. This is my whole point. 697 00:50:25,606 --> 00:50:29,607 The woman across the street testified that the moment after she saw the killing, 698 00:50:29,696 --> 00:50:31,938 that is, a moment after the train went by, 699 00:50:32,032 --> 00:50:35,199 she screamed, and then went to telephone the police. 700 00:50:35,286 --> 00:50:38,822 Now, the boy certainly must have heard the scream. 701 00:50:38,916 --> 00:50:42,168 So he knew that somebody saw something. 702 00:50:42,254 --> 00:50:45,126 I just don't think that he would have gone back. 703 00:50:45,217 --> 00:50:49,843 Two things. One: He may not have heard the scream. Perhaps it wasn't very loud. 704 00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:53,266 Two: If he did, he may not have connected it with his own acts. 705 00:50:53,352 --> 00:50:56,390 He lived in a neighbourhood where screams were commonplace. 706 00:50:56,481 --> 00:51:00,859 - There's your answer. - Maybe. Maybe the boy did kill his father. 707 00:51:00,945 --> 00:51:03,353 Didn't hear the scream, did run out in a panic, 708 00:51:03,448 --> 00:51:08,324 calmed down later and came back for the knife, risking being caught by the police. 709 00:51:08,412 --> 00:51:11,367 Maybe those things happened, but maybe they didn't. 710 00:51:11,458 --> 00:51:15,706 There's enough doubt to wonder if he was there at all at the time of the killing. 711 00:51:15,796 --> 00:51:19,250 What do you mean? Didn't the old man see him running out of the house? 712 00:51:19,344 --> 00:51:21,171 He's twisting the facts. 713 00:51:21,263 --> 00:51:24,847 Did or didn't the old man see the kid running out of the house at 12.10? 714 00:51:24,935 --> 00:51:27,606 - Well, did or didn't he? - He says he did. 715 00:51:27,689 --> 00:51:30,143 Says he did? Boy, how do you like that? 716 00:51:30,232 --> 00:51:33,353 - Witnesses can make mistakes. - Sure, when you want them to! 717 00:51:33,445 --> 00:51:36,152 - Or when he wants them to! - Keep the yelling down. 718 00:51:36,241 --> 00:51:41,070 Maybe we need a little yelling. These guys keep going off every which way. 719 00:51:41,163 --> 00:51:44,451 Did hear the scream, didn't hear it - what difference does it make? 720 00:51:44,544 --> 00:51:48,410 You're talking about little details and forgetting the important stuff. 721 00:51:48,505 --> 00:51:51,176 - I call for another vote. - I'm talking here! 722 00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:53,338 Another vote called for. 723 00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:55,922 Now let's take our seats. 724 00:51:59,021 --> 00:52:01,476 I never saw so much time spent on nothin'. 725 00:52:01,566 --> 00:52:03,854 It only takes a second. 726 00:52:04,528 --> 00:52:07,945 OK, I guess the fastest way is to find out who's voting not guilty. 727 00:52:08,032 --> 00:52:11,818 All those voting not guilty, please raise your hands. 728 00:52:11,912 --> 00:52:15,530 Still the same. One, two, three not guilty. Nine guilty. 729 00:52:15,624 --> 00:52:20,585 So now where are we? We can yakety-yak till next Tuesday. Where's it getting us? 730 00:52:20,673 --> 00:52:23,710 Pardon. I vote not guilty. 731 00:52:25,764 --> 00:52:30,142 What are you talkin' about? I mean, we're all goin' crazy in here or somethin'. 732 00:52:30,228 --> 00:52:33,644 The kid is guilty. Why don't you listen to the facts? 733 00:52:33,732 --> 00:52:36,307 Tell them, will ya? This is gettin' to be a joke. 734 00:52:36,403 --> 00:52:39,771 The vote is eight to four in favour of guilty. 735 00:52:39,864 --> 00:52:43,615 What is this? Love Your Underprivileged Brother Week? 736 00:52:43,704 --> 00:52:47,370 I want you to tell me why you changed your vote. Give me reasons. 737 00:52:47,458 --> 00:52:52,038 I don't have to defend my decision to you. There is a reasonable doubt in my mind. 738 00:52:52,131 --> 00:52:55,086 Reasonable doubt? Nothing but words. Look at this. 739 00:52:55,177 --> 00:53:00,173 The kid you just decided isn't guilty was seen ramming this into his father! 740 00:53:00,266 --> 00:53:05,143 - What about this, Mr Reasonable Doubt? - That's not the knife, remember? 741 00:53:05,230 --> 00:53:09,811 - Oh, brilliant! - I'm tellin' you, this is the craziest. 742 00:53:09,905 --> 00:53:14,864 I mean, what are we supposed to believe? You're pullin' stories out of thin air. 743 00:53:14,952 --> 00:53:18,786 A guy like this, if he's sittin' ringside at the Dempsey-Firpo fight, 744 00:53:18,875 --> 00:53:20,701 he'd be trying to tell you that... 745 00:53:21,252 --> 00:53:23,542 Look. Now what about the old man? 746 00:53:23,631 --> 00:53:27,333 Are we supposed to believe he didn't see the kid tearin' down the steps 747 00:53:27,428 --> 00:53:29,384 15 seconds after the killing? 748 00:53:29,512 --> 00:53:32,135 He's just sayin' so to be important, right? 749 00:53:32,225 --> 00:53:34,349 - What's the point of it all? - Hold it. 750 00:53:34,436 --> 00:53:36,725 The Baltimore rooter is heard from again. 751 00:53:36,813 --> 00:53:40,351 - And pop-ups are fallin' for base hits. - Hold on a second. Look. 752 00:53:40,445 --> 00:53:43,979 - Did the old man say he ran to the door? - What's the difference? 753 00:53:44,074 --> 00:53:48,155 - He got there, didn't he? - He said he ran. At least I think he did. 754 00:53:48,245 --> 00:53:51,450 I don't remember, but I don't see how he could have run. 755 00:53:51,542 --> 00:53:55,125 He said he went from his bedroom to the front door. Isn't that enough? 756 00:53:55,213 --> 00:53:57,670 - Where was the bedroom? - Down the hall. 757 00:53:57,759 --> 00:54:00,510 - Don't you remember that? - No. 758 00:54:00,595 --> 00:54:05,674 - I want to see a diagram of the apartment. - Why don't we have him on trial again? 759 00:54:05,769 --> 00:54:08,057 You're the only one wants to see exhibits. 760 00:54:08,146 --> 00:54:11,481 - I want to see this one, too. - I'd like to stop wastin' time. 761 00:54:11,568 --> 00:54:14,819 If we're gonna wade through that nonsense about the body... 762 00:54:14,905 --> 00:54:20,363 No, but I'd like to know if an old man who drags one foot cos he had a stroke 763 00:54:20,454 --> 00:54:23,243 can get from his bedroom to his front door in 15 seconds. 764 00:54:23,333 --> 00:54:25,077 - He said 20. - He said 15. 765 00:54:25,168 --> 00:54:28,834 - 20. What are you tryin' to distort? - He said 15. 766 00:54:28,923 --> 00:54:32,091 How does he know how long 15 seconds is? You can't judge that. 767 00:54:32,178 --> 00:54:34,716 He said 15. He was positive about it. 768 00:54:34,806 --> 00:54:37,049 He was an old man! He was confused! 769 00:54:37,142 --> 00:54:40,762 How could he be positive about anything? 770 00:54:47,365 --> 00:54:51,494 I don't see what you're going to prove. The man said he saw the boy running out. 771 00:54:51,578 --> 00:54:54,864 Let's see if the details bear him out. As the body hit the floor, 772 00:54:54,958 --> 00:54:58,375 he said he heard footsteps upstairs, running to the front door. 773 00:54:58,462 --> 00:55:01,665 Heard the upstairs door open, the footsteps start down. 774 00:55:01,757 --> 00:55:07,513 He said he got to his own door in, at most, 15 seconds. If the killer ran immediately... 775 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,174 - Maybe he didn't. - The old man said he did. 776 00:55:10,269 --> 00:55:13,603 You oughta be at that hair-splitters' convention. 777 00:55:13,689 --> 00:55:16,015 Why don't you stop making smart remarks? 778 00:55:16,109 --> 00:55:20,690 My friend, for your three dollars a day, you have to listen to everything. 779 00:55:20,783 --> 00:55:26,705 Here's the apartment. The old man's was directly beneath and exactly the same. 780 00:55:26,791 --> 00:55:32,035 Here are the el tracks, the bedroom, living room, kitchen, bathroom, hall, stairs. 781 00:55:32,131 --> 00:55:34,373 The old man was in this bedroom here. 782 00:55:34,467 --> 00:55:37,838 He says he crossed to the door, walked down the hall, opened the door 783 00:55:37,930 --> 00:55:41,218 just in time to see the boy running down the stairs. Am I right? 784 00:55:41,310 --> 00:55:43,634 That's the story, for the 19th time. 785 00:55:43,729 --> 00:55:47,229 - 15 seconds after the body hit the floor. - Correct. 786 00:55:47,317 --> 00:55:49,395 Now, let's see. It was... 787 00:55:49,487 --> 00:55:53,271 It's 12 feet from the bed to the door. The hall is 43 feet. 788 00:55:53,366 --> 00:55:56,820 He would have had to walk 12 feet, open the bedroom door, 789 00:55:56,914 --> 00:56:00,496 walk 43 feet down and open the front door, all in 15 seconds. 790 00:56:00,584 --> 00:56:02,662 - Could he have done it? - Sure. 791 00:56:02,754 --> 00:56:05,756 He walks slowly. He needed help into the witness chair. 792 00:56:05,841 --> 00:56:11,183 - You make it sound like a long walk. - For an old man who had a stroke, it is. 793 00:56:11,266 --> 00:56:13,839 - What are you doin'? - I'm gonna try it. 794 00:56:13,935 --> 00:56:16,937 What do you mean? Why didn't his lawyer bring it up? 795 00:56:17,022 --> 00:56:21,153 - Maybe he just didn't think of it. - Do you think he's an idiot? It's obvious. 796 00:56:21,237 --> 00:56:24,273 - Did you think of it? - It don't matter. He didn't bring it up 797 00:56:24,365 --> 00:56:26,360 because he knew it'd hurt his case. 798 00:56:26,452 --> 00:56:30,497 Or because it would have meant bullying and badgering a helpless old man. 799 00:56:30,581 --> 00:56:33,916 That doesn't sit well with a jury. Most lawyers avoid it. 800 00:56:34,003 --> 00:56:36,674 - What kind of a bum is he? - That's what I'm asking. 801 00:56:36,757 --> 00:56:39,794 Pass me that chair. Those two chairs are the old man's bed. 802 00:56:39,886 --> 00:56:42,673 I just paced off 12 feet. This is the bedroom door. 803 00:56:42,764 --> 00:56:45,636 That's crazy. You can't re-create a thing like that. 804 00:56:45,727 --> 00:56:51,185 The hall was 43 feet. I'll pace from that wall and back again. 805 00:56:51,275 --> 00:56:54,812 This is insane. What are you wasting everybody's time for? 806 00:56:54,907 --> 00:56:58,192 According to you, it'll only take 15 seconds. We can spare that. 807 00:57:01,580 --> 00:57:03,658 Come on. Knock it off. 808 00:57:03,751 --> 00:57:06,669 OK. OK, OK, killer. 809 00:57:07,463 --> 00:57:09,541 Yeah. 810 00:57:11,344 --> 00:57:15,673 Will you stand there and mark the front door? It was chain-locked, remember. 811 00:57:15,765 --> 00:57:18,140 - Who's got a watch with a second hand? - I have. 812 00:57:18,228 --> 00:57:22,641 Stamp your foot. That'll be the body falling. You can time me from there. 813 00:57:22,733 --> 00:57:26,780 - What are we gonna do, play charades? - What are we waiting for? 814 00:57:26,864 --> 00:57:29,272 I wanna wait till the second hand reaches 60. 815 00:57:29,367 --> 00:57:31,443 Aw, come on! 816 00:57:37,712 --> 00:57:42,041 Come on, speed it up. He can walk twice as fast as that. 817 00:57:42,133 --> 00:57:45,883 If you want me to walk faster than that, I will. 818 00:58:01,533 --> 00:58:04,738 - Lock. Door. Stop. - Right. 819 00:58:04,830 --> 00:58:06,822 What's the time? 820 00:58:06,915 --> 00:58:10,120 Exactly... 41 seconds. 821 00:58:10,212 --> 00:58:14,709 This is what I think happened. The old man heard the fight a few hours earlier. 822 00:58:14,801 --> 00:58:17,472 When he's in bed, he heard the body hit the floor, 823 00:58:17,555 --> 00:58:21,090 heard the woman scream, got to his front door as fast as he could, 824 00:58:21,184 --> 00:58:23,759 heard somebody running and assumed it was the boy. 825 00:58:23,854 --> 00:58:26,974 - I think that's possible. - Assumed? 826 00:58:28,443 --> 00:58:31,398 Brother, I've seen all kinds of dishonesty in my day, 827 00:58:31,489 --> 00:58:34,444 but this little display takes the cake. 828 00:58:34,536 --> 00:58:39,448 You all come in here with your hearts bleedin' about slum kids and injustice. 829 00:58:39,542 --> 00:58:43,836 You listen to some fairy tales. You start getting through to these old ladies. 830 00:58:43,921 --> 00:58:46,793 You're not getting through to me. I've had enough. 831 00:58:46,883 --> 00:58:51,098 What's the matter with you guys? You all know he's guilty! He's got to burn! 832 00:58:51,182 --> 00:58:54,600 - He'll slip through our fingers. - Slip through our fingers? 833 00:58:54,687 --> 00:58:58,601 - Are you his executioner? - I'm one of 'em. 834 00:58:58,692 --> 00:59:02,642 - Perhaps you'd like to pull the switch. - For this kid, you bet I would. 835 00:59:02,738 --> 00:59:06,607 I feel sorry for you. What it must feel like to wanna pull the switch! 836 00:59:06,702 --> 00:59:10,701 Ever since you walked in, you've acted like a self-appointed public avenger. 837 00:59:10,791 --> 00:59:14,837 You want to see this boy die because you want it, not because of the facts. 838 00:59:14,922 --> 00:59:17,460 - You're a sadist. - You... 839 00:59:17,550 --> 00:59:21,298 Let me go! I'll kill him! I'll kill him! 840 00:59:21,387 --> 00:59:24,675 You don't really mean you'll kill me, do you? 841 00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:34,894 - Anything wrong? I heard some noise. - No, everything's all right. 842 00:59:34,988 --> 00:59:37,742 We're just... Friendly little argument. 843 00:59:37,826 --> 00:59:43,035 We're through with that diagram. You can take it if you want. Here you are. 844 00:59:49,632 --> 00:59:52,124 What are you lookin' at? 845 01:00:12,411 --> 01:00:15,283 - Somebody has to start off again. - I beg pardon... 846 01:00:15,374 --> 01:00:18,292 "I beg pardon." What are you so polite about? 847 01:00:18,378 --> 01:00:23,540 For the same reason you're not. It's the way I was brought up. 848 01:00:24,554 --> 01:00:28,504 This fighting... That's not why we are here, to fight. 849 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,092 We have a responsibility. 850 01:00:32,229 --> 01:00:36,644 This, I have always thought, is a remarkable thing about democracy. 851 01:00:36,735 --> 01:00:39,026 That we are... 852 01:00:40,449 --> 01:00:42,525 What is the word? 853 01:00:42,619 --> 01:00:46,950 Notified. That we are notified by mail to come down to this place 854 01:00:47,041 --> 01:00:54,339 to decide on the guilt or innocence of a man we... we have never heard of before. 855 01:00:54,426 --> 01:00:59,634 We have nothing to gain or lose by... by our verdict. 856 01:00:59,724 --> 01:01:03,937 This is one of the reasons why we are strong. 857 01:01:04,022 --> 01:01:07,972 We should not make it a... personal thing. 858 01:01:11,532 --> 01:01:15,150 If nobody else has an idea, I might have a cutie here. 859 01:01:15,243 --> 01:01:17,782 Let's throw it out and see if the cat licks it up. 860 01:01:17,872 --> 01:01:20,329 - The cat licks it up? - Yeah. The boy... 861 01:01:24,964 --> 01:01:30,388 Look how dark it's gettin' out there. I bet we're gonna have a storm now. 862 01:01:31,433 --> 01:01:34,718 Boy, oh boy. It's really hot, huh? 863 01:01:35,437 --> 01:01:40,680 - Pardon me, but... don't you ever sweat? - No, I don't. 864 01:01:42,028 --> 01:01:45,317 Listen. I... I was wonderin' if... 865 01:01:46,744 --> 01:01:49,615 Maybe... maybe we should take another vote. 866 01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:54,997 Great. Maybe we can follow this one up with a little dancing and refreshments! 867 01:01:55,087 --> 01:01:58,208 - Mr Foreman? - Well, that's OK with me. 868 01:01:58,300 --> 01:02:02,050 Anyone doesn't wanna vote? Hey, come on. 869 01:02:02,932 --> 01:02:05,886 - Sorry. - I think we ought to have an open ballot. 870 01:02:05,977 --> 01:02:09,263 Call out our votes, you know? Let's see who stands where. 871 01:02:09,356 --> 01:02:12,892 Well, that sounds fair to me. Anyone object? 872 01:02:14,696 --> 01:02:18,232 OK. I'll call off your jury numbers. One? 873 01:02:18,326 --> 01:02:21,578 Oh, that's me. I vote guilty. Two? 874 01:02:23,082 --> 01:02:24,991 Not guilty. 875 01:02:25,084 --> 01:02:26,829 Number three? 876 01:02:26,921 --> 01:02:28,830 Guilty. 877 01:02:28,923 --> 01:02:31,001 Number four? 878 01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:33,880 Guilty. 879 01:02:33,972 --> 01:02:35,515 Number five? 880 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,675 Not guilty. 881 01:02:37,768 --> 01:02:39,892 Number six? 882 01:02:39,979 --> 01:02:41,936 Not guilty. 883 01:02:42,023 --> 01:02:43,733 Number seven? 884 01:02:43,818 --> 01:02:45,610 Guilty. 885 01:02:45,696 --> 01:02:47,570 Number eight? 886 01:02:47,656 --> 01:02:49,733 Not guilty. 887 01:02:50,869 --> 01:02:53,825 - Number nine? - Not guilty. 888 01:02:53,916 --> 01:02:56,869 - Number ten? - Guilty. 889 01:02:57,751 --> 01:02:59,746 Number eleven? 890 01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:01,666 Not guilty. 891 01:03:01,758 --> 01:03:03,835 Number twelve? 892 01:03:04,220 --> 01:03:06,462 Number twelve! 893 01:03:06,556 --> 01:03:08,846 Guilty. 894 01:03:14,149 --> 01:03:16,819 The vote is now six to six. 895 01:03:16,903 --> 01:03:19,822 And we go into extra innings here, eh? 896 01:03:21,242 --> 01:03:26,486 Six to six! I'm telling you, some of you people in here must be out of your minds. 897 01:03:26,582 --> 01:03:28,160 A kid like that! 898 01:03:28,251 --> 01:03:31,702 I don't think the kind of boy he is has anything to do with it. 899 01:03:31,796 --> 01:03:34,549 - Facts determine the case. - Don't give me that! 900 01:03:34,634 --> 01:03:37,839 I'm sick and tired of facts. You can twist 'em any way you like. 901 01:03:37,931 --> 01:03:41,216 That's exactly the point this gentleman has been making. 902 01:03:41,309 --> 01:03:44,097 You keep shouting at the top of your lungs... 903 01:03:45,399 --> 01:03:49,527 I'd like to be a few years younger. That man gets on my... 904 01:03:52,908 --> 01:03:55,399 - My, it's hot in here. - Want a drink of water? 905 01:03:55,494 --> 01:03:57,570 No, no. Thanks. Thanks. 906 01:04:07,177 --> 01:04:11,673 - It's gonna rain. - Well, how'd you figure that out, killer? 907 01:04:12,683 --> 01:04:17,228 - How come you changed your vote? - It just seemed there was room for doubt. 908 01:04:17,314 --> 01:04:20,351 - You haven't got a leg to stand on. - I don't feel that way. 909 01:04:20,444 --> 01:04:23,647 - A lot of details never came out. - Yeah, well, good luck. 910 01:04:23,739 --> 01:04:29,495 Come on. You're like everybody else. You think too much, you get mixed up. 911 01:04:29,580 --> 01:04:33,581 - You know what I mean? - I don't think you have any right to... 912 01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:35,746 Loudmouth. 913 01:05:29,033 --> 01:05:32,071 Look at that come down, will ya? 914 01:05:32,663 --> 01:05:37,291 You know, this reminds me of a storm we had last... 915 01:05:38,669 --> 01:05:42,289 Was it November? I don't know. Something. 916 01:05:42,383 --> 01:05:46,252 It was quite a storm we had. It was right in the middle of a game. 917 01:05:46,347 --> 01:05:51,390 We were behind-seven to six. We'd just started to move the ball, made a tackle. 918 01:05:51,478 --> 01:05:56,273 It was gonna cut right in, slash through, slashed right in, cut right through... 919 01:05:56,361 --> 01:05:58,437 And... 920 01:05:58,948 --> 01:06:01,438 We had this kid - Slattery. 921 01:06:02,492 --> 01:06:04,986 He was an ox. A real ox. 922 01:06:05,832 --> 01:06:08,238 I wish I had another one just like him. 923 01:06:08,333 --> 01:06:12,796 I forgot to tell you. I'm the assistant head coach at Andrew J McCorkle High School. 924 01:06:12,883 --> 01:06:15,124 That's out in Queens. 925 01:06:15,218 --> 01:06:19,881 And anyway... we're starting to move along real nice. 926 01:06:19,973 --> 01:06:24,685 You know, their whole line is just... just comin' apart. 927 01:06:24,772 --> 01:06:28,390 And it starts to come down, cats and dogs, just like this. 928 01:06:28,484 --> 01:06:32,271 Just... whoosh! You know, right down. 929 01:06:32,366 --> 01:06:35,819 Well, it was murder, you know? 930 01:06:35,912 --> 01:06:41,120 I swear, I... I nearly bawled. Just... We couldn't go nowhere. 931 01:06:59,191 --> 01:07:02,776 Hey, what is it with this fan here? How come... 932 01:07:12,626 --> 01:07:15,545 Must have been on the same switch with the lights. 933 01:07:15,631 --> 01:07:18,632 Well, things are lookin' up here, huh? 934 01:07:19,342 --> 01:07:21,421 Yeah. 935 01:07:25,643 --> 01:07:27,719 Boy, that's better. 936 01:07:34,405 --> 01:07:36,896 Hey! Two points. 937 01:07:41,748 --> 01:07:44,583 You guys ever go to the Garden? 938 01:07:46,003 --> 01:07:48,875 That's a damn stupid thing to do. 939 01:07:48,965 --> 01:07:51,041 Oh, I'm sorry. I... 940 01:07:52,177 --> 01:07:54,254 You know? 941 01:07:55,348 --> 01:07:57,721 Pardon me. 942 01:07:57,810 --> 01:08:02,640 Well, how do you like it? Even-steven. Pretty surprising, isn't it? 943 01:08:02,734 --> 01:08:04,810 Yes. 944 01:08:06,029 --> 01:08:11,072 That... business before, when that tall guy, whatshisname, was tryin' to bait me? 945 01:08:11,161 --> 01:08:14,994 That doesn't prove anything. I'm a... pretty excitable person. 946 01:08:15,082 --> 01:08:18,868 Where does he come off calling me a public avenger, a sadist? 947 01:08:18,963 --> 01:08:22,628 Anyone in his right mind would blow his stack. 948 01:08:22,717 --> 01:08:24,959 He was just tryin' to bait me. 949 01:08:25,052 --> 01:08:27,545 He did an excellent job. 950 01:08:29,602 --> 01:08:31,725 I think we're going nowhere here. 951 01:08:31,812 --> 01:08:34,387 I'm ready to walk into court and declare a hung jury. 952 01:08:34,483 --> 01:08:37,733 - There's no point in this thing going on. - I go for that, too. 953 01:08:37,820 --> 01:08:40,525 Let the kid take his chance with 12 other guys. 954 01:08:40,615 --> 01:08:43,868 The judge won't accept a hung jury. We haven't been here long. 955 01:08:43,954 --> 01:08:46,991 - Well, let's find out. - I am not in favour of that. 956 01:08:47,083 --> 01:08:50,618 This kid wouldn't stand a chance with another jury, and you know it. 957 01:08:50,711 --> 01:08:53,630 Come on, we're hung. Nobody's gonna change his vote. 958 01:08:53,715 --> 01:08:57,086 - Still no room for reasonable doubt? - No. 959 01:08:57,179 --> 01:09:02,388 Pardon. Maybe you don't fully understand the term "reasonable doubt". 960 01:09:02,478 --> 01:09:05,599 What do you mean, I don't understand? 961 01:09:05,690 --> 01:09:09,024 How do you like this guy? I'm tellin' you, they're all alike. 962 01:09:09,111 --> 01:09:11,863 They come over here and before they can take a breath, 963 01:09:11,948 --> 01:09:14,653 they're telling us how to run the show. 964 01:09:14,743 --> 01:09:17,829 - Boy, the arrogance of this guy! - All right. 965 01:09:17,915 --> 01:09:21,118 Let's stop the arguing for about two minutes in here. 966 01:09:21,210 --> 01:09:23,749 Now, who's got something constructive to say? 967 01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:27,255 I'd like to go over something, if you gentlemen don't mind. 968 01:09:27,343 --> 01:09:29,800 An important point for the prosecution was 969 01:09:29,889 --> 01:09:34,967 the fact that after the boy claimed he was at the movies when the killing took place, 970 01:09:35,063 --> 01:09:39,142 he couldn't remember the names of the movies or who starred in them. 971 01:09:39,232 --> 01:09:43,185 - This gentleman has made that point. - That's correct. 972 01:09:43,281 --> 01:09:47,742 It's the only alibi the boy offered, and he couldn't back it up with any details. 973 01:09:47,827 --> 01:09:50,949 In the boy's place, do you think you could remember details 974 01:09:51,041 --> 01:09:54,541 after an upsetting experience such as being slapped by your father? 975 01:09:54,628 --> 01:09:57,915 I think so, if there were any special details to remember. 976 01:09:58,008 --> 01:10:01,343 The boy couldn't remember the movies because he wasn't there. 977 01:10:01,429 --> 01:10:06,389 According to the police testimony, the boy was questioned in the kitchen, 978 01:10:06,477 --> 01:10:09,396 while the body of his father was lying in the bedroom. 979 01:10:09,482 --> 01:10:11,937 Do you think you could remember details? 980 01:10:12,026 --> 01:10:14,150 - I do. - Under great emotional stress? 981 01:10:14,237 --> 01:10:18,403 - Under great emotional stress. - He remembered them correctly in court. 982 01:10:18,493 --> 01:10:22,159 Yes. His lawyer took great pains to bring that out. 983 01:10:22,247 --> 01:10:26,295 He had three months to the day of the trial in which to memorise them. 984 01:10:26,379 --> 01:10:30,923 It's not difficult for a lawyer to find out what played on a particular night. 985 01:10:31,009 --> 01:10:34,629 I'll take the testimony from right after the murder, 986 01:10:34,723 --> 01:10:39,052 when he couldn't remember a thing about the movies, great emotional stress or not. 987 01:10:39,395 --> 01:10:42,682 - I'd like to ask you a personal question. - Go ahead. 988 01:10:42,775 --> 01:10:45,979 - Where were you last night? - I was home all night. 989 01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:48,562 - How about the night before that? - What is this? 990 01:10:48,657 --> 01:10:52,526 It's all right. I left the office at 8.30 and went straight home and to bed. 991 01:10:52,620 --> 01:10:56,915 - And the night before that? - That was... Tuesday night. 992 01:10:57,001 --> 01:10:59,957 - The bridge tournament. I played bridge. - Monday night? 993 01:11:00,047 --> 01:11:03,500 When you get to New Year's Eve 1954, let me know. 994 01:11:05,345 --> 01:11:11,717 Monday night? Monday night... my wife and I went to the movies. 995 01:11:11,812 --> 01:11:14,769 - What did you see? - The Scarlet Circle. A whodunit. 996 01:11:14,859 --> 01:11:17,731 - What was the second feature? - The... 997 01:11:19,573 --> 01:11:22,278 I'll tell you in a minute. The... 998 01:11:22,368 --> 01:11:24,444 Remarkable Mrs... 999 01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:27,907 Something. 1000 01:11:29,127 --> 01:11:31,701 Mrs Bainbridge. The Remarkable Mrs Bainbridge. 1001 01:11:31,798 --> 01:11:35,545 I saw that. It's called The Amazing Mrs Bainbridge. 1002 01:11:35,634 --> 01:11:38,208 Yes. The Amazing Mrs Bainbridge. 1003 01:11:38,304 --> 01:11:40,845 Who was in The Amazing Mrs Bainbridge? 1004 01:11:40,934 --> 01:11:44,767 Barbara... Long, I think it was. 1005 01:11:44,856 --> 01:11:47,227 A dark, very pretty girl. 1006 01:11:48,152 --> 01:11:51,521 - Ling or... Long. Something like that. - Who else? 1007 01:11:51,614 --> 01:11:53,773 I'd never heard of them before. 1008 01:11:53,867 --> 01:11:58,495 It was a very inexpensive second feature, with unknown... 1009 01:11:58,581 --> 01:12:02,746 And you weren't under an emotional stress, were you? 1010 01:12:04,464 --> 01:12:06,541 No. 1011 01:12:06,634 --> 01:12:08,710 I wasn't. 1012 01:12:10,263 --> 01:12:13,266 - I think the point is made. - Big point. 1013 01:12:14,937 --> 01:12:18,852 You can talk till your tongue is draggin' on the floor. The boy is guilty. 1014 01:12:18,942 --> 01:12:21,183 Know what I mean, my friend? 1015 01:12:21,277 --> 01:12:25,442 - You got those cough drops? - They're all gone, my friend. 1016 01:12:26,743 --> 01:12:30,790 Oh, boy. Look at that rain. There goes your ball game. 1017 01:12:31,416 --> 01:12:33,742 It's only a shower. 1018 01:12:33,836 --> 01:12:36,541 Besides, they got the infield covered. 1019 01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:40,132 Say, could I see that knife a second, please? 1020 01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:46,558 Well, we're still tied up six to six. Who's got a suggestion? 1021 01:12:46,644 --> 01:12:50,808 - It's 5 after 6. Let's get some dinner. - Why don't we wait till 7 o'clock? 1022 01:12:50,899 --> 01:12:51,766 OK with me. 1023 01:12:53,319 --> 01:12:56,903 There's something I'd like to say. It's been bothering me a little, 1024 01:12:56,991 --> 01:12:59,281 and as long as we're stuck... 1025 01:12:59,369 --> 01:13:03,239 There was this whole business about the stab wound and how it was made. 1026 01:13:03,334 --> 01:13:06,867 - The downward angle of it, you know? - Don't start with that again. 1027 01:13:06,961 --> 01:13:10,877 - They've been over it and over it. - I know, but I don't go along with it. 1028 01:13:10,967 --> 01:13:15,049 The boy was five feet seven inches tall. His father was six two. 1029 01:13:15,139 --> 01:13:17,466 That's a difference of seven inches. 1030 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,855 It's very awkward to stab down into the chest of someone over half a foot taller. 1031 01:13:21,940 --> 01:13:24,396 Give me that. 1032 01:13:24,485 --> 01:13:28,235 I'll give you a demonstration. Somebody get up. 1033 01:13:35,331 --> 01:13:37,706 Watch this - I don't wanna have to do it again. 1034 01:13:37,794 --> 01:13:40,665 I'll make myself about six or seven inches shorter. 1035 01:13:40,756 --> 01:13:44,422 - That's about right. Maybe a little more. - OK, a little more. 1036 01:13:55,943 --> 01:13:58,435 Now... nobody's hurt. 1037 01:13:59,322 --> 01:14:01,815 - Right? - Right. Nobody hurt. 1038 01:14:05,789 --> 01:14:10,785 Now, this is the way I'd stab a man who was... taller than I was. 1039 01:14:10,879 --> 01:14:13,371 Look at the angle. Down and in. 1040 01:14:13,466 --> 01:14:17,216 And this is the way it was done. Now tell me I'm wrong. 1041 01:14:20,016 --> 01:14:23,267 - Down and in. There's no argument. - Hold on a minute. 1042 01:14:23,353 --> 01:14:25,429 Will you give me that? 1043 01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:28,226 Boy, I hate these things. 1044 01:14:28,319 --> 01:14:31,487 - Did you ever see a knife fight? - No. 1045 01:14:31,573 --> 01:14:34,609 Anybody here ever see a knife fight? 1046 01:14:34,701 --> 01:14:39,828 Well, I have. You know, on my back stoop, the lot across the street, back yard. 1047 01:14:39,917 --> 01:14:42,289 Switchblades came with the neighbourhood. 1048 01:14:42,378 --> 01:14:45,465 Funny I never thought of it before. I guess you try to forget. 1049 01:14:45,550 --> 01:14:50,710 - How do you use a switchblade? - Well, you'd never use it like this. 1050 01:14:50,805 --> 01:14:54,259 See, you'd lose too much time switching hands. 1051 01:14:54,936 --> 01:14:57,428 Here's how. Underhand. 1052 01:15:00,069 --> 01:15:03,235 Anyone who's ever used one wouldn't handle it any other way. 1053 01:15:03,321 --> 01:15:05,731 - Are you sure? - I'm sure. 1054 01:15:05,825 --> 01:15:10,489 - It's why they're made to open like that. - The boy was pretty handy with a knife? 1055 01:15:10,582 --> 01:15:13,667 You think he could have made the wound that killed his father? 1056 01:15:13,752 --> 01:15:17,798 No. Not with the experience he got all his life handling these things. 1057 01:15:17,883 --> 01:15:21,050 - I feel he'd have gone for him underhand. - How do you know? 1058 01:15:21,137 --> 01:15:25,088 - Were you there when he was killed? - No. Neither was anybody else. 1059 01:15:25,184 --> 01:15:28,436 What are you giving us this mumbo jumbo for? I don't believe it. 1060 01:15:28,522 --> 01:15:31,772 I don't think you can tell what wound he might have made 1061 01:15:31,859 --> 01:15:34,316 simply because he knew how to handle a knife. 1062 01:15:34,405 --> 01:15:37,524 - What do you think? - I don't know. 1063 01:15:37,616 --> 01:15:41,034 - What do you mean, you don't know? - I don't know. 1064 01:15:45,211 --> 01:15:48,081 - How about you? - I don't know about the rest of 'em, 1065 01:15:48,172 --> 01:15:52,253 but I'm gettin' tired of this yakety-yakkin'. It's gettin' us nowhere. 1066 01:15:52,345 --> 01:15:57,222 So I guess I'll have to break it up. I'm changin' my vote to not guilty. 1067 01:15:57,308 --> 01:16:00,346 - You're what? - You heard me. I've had enough. 1068 01:16:00,438 --> 01:16:05,813 - You've had enough? That's no answer. - Listen, you just take care of yourself. 1069 01:16:05,902 --> 01:16:08,361 - You know? - He's right. 1070 01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:11,198 That's not an answer. 1071 01:16:11,286 --> 01:16:14,204 What kind of a man are you? 1072 01:16:14,290 --> 01:16:17,456 You have sat here and voted guilty with everyone else 1073 01:16:17,543 --> 01:16:21,838 because there are some baseball tickets burning a hole in your pocket. 1074 01:16:21,924 --> 01:16:26,837 Now you have changed your vote because you say you're sick of all the talking? 1075 01:16:26,931 --> 01:16:30,716 - Now, listen, buddy... - Who tells you that you have the right 1076 01:16:30,812 --> 01:16:33,813 to play like this with a man's life? Don't you care... 1077 01:16:33,899 --> 01:16:37,184 Now, wait a minute. You can't talk like that to me. 1078 01:16:37,277 --> 01:16:41,776 I can talk like that to you. If you want to vote not guilty, 1079 01:16:41,867 --> 01:16:46,329 do it because you are convinced he is not guilty, not because you've had enough. 1080 01:16:46,415 --> 01:16:49,202 And if you think he is guilty, then vote that way. 1081 01:16:49,294 --> 01:16:52,212 Or don't you have the guts to do what you think is right? 1082 01:16:52,297 --> 01:16:55,252 - Now, listen... - Guilty or not guilty? 1083 01:16:55,343 --> 01:16:58,963 - I told you. Not guilty. - Why? 1084 01:17:00,851 --> 01:17:05,598 - Look, I don't have to... - You do have to. Say it. Why? 1085 01:17:05,689 --> 01:17:08,016 I... I don't think he's guilty. 1086 01:17:17,496 --> 01:17:21,709 - I want another vote. - OK, that's another vote called for. 1087 01:17:21,793 --> 01:17:24,832 I guess the quickest way is a show of hands. Anyone object? 1088 01:17:24,924 --> 01:17:27,760 OK, all those voting not guilty, raise your hands. 1089 01:17:28,136 --> 01:17:30,259 One, two, three, 1090 01:17:30,682 --> 01:17:33,802 four, five, six, seven... 1091 01:17:36,438 --> 01:17:38,514 eight. 1092 01:17:43,406 --> 01:17:45,482 Nine. 1093 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,411 All those voting guilty, raise your hands. 1094 01:17:50,499 --> 01:17:52,787 One, two, three. 1095 01:17:52,876 --> 01:17:56,330 Well, the vote's nine to three in favour of acquittal. 1096 01:17:56,507 --> 01:17:58,298 I don't understand you people! 1097 01:17:58,384 --> 01:18:02,382 All these picky little points you keep bringing up, they don't mean nothing! 1098 01:18:02,472 --> 01:18:04,180 You saw this kid just like I did. 1099 01:18:04,266 --> 01:18:07,767 Don't tell me you believe that phoney story about losing the knife 1100 01:18:07,855 --> 01:18:09,930 and about being at the movies. 1101 01:18:10,023 --> 01:18:13,061 Look, you know how these people lie. It's born in them. 1102 01:18:13,153 --> 01:18:17,197 What the heck? I don't have to tell you. They don't know what the truth is! 1103 01:18:17,282 --> 01:18:20,903 And they don't need any real big reason to kill someone, either. 1104 01:18:20,996 --> 01:18:25,908 No, sir. They get drunk. They're real big drinkers, all of 'em. 1105 01:18:26,002 --> 01:18:29,089 You know that. And bang! Someone's lying in the gutter. 1106 01:18:29,174 --> 01:18:32,258 Nobody's blaming 'em. That's the way they are by nature. 1107 01:18:32,344 --> 01:18:35,844 You know what I mean? Violent. Where are you going? 1108 01:18:35,931 --> 01:18:40,097 Human life don't mean as much to them as it does to us. 1109 01:18:40,187 --> 01:18:42,809 They're lushing it up and fighting all the time, 1110 01:18:42,899 --> 01:18:46,566 and if somebody gets killed, somebody gets killed! They don't care! 1111 01:18:46,654 --> 01:18:50,701 Sure, there's some good things about 'em, too. I'm the first one to say that. 1112 01:18:50,785 --> 01:18:54,368 I've known a couple who were OK, but that's the exception. 1113 01:18:54,456 --> 01:18:58,123 Most of 'em, it's like they have no feelings! They can do anything! 1114 01:18:58,211 --> 01:19:00,288 What's going on here? 1115 01:19:01,007 --> 01:19:05,053 I'm trying to tell you. You're making a big mistake, you people. 1116 01:19:05,137 --> 01:19:08,886 This kid is a liar. I know it. I know all about them. 1117 01:19:09,851 --> 01:19:11,929 Listen to me. They're no good. 1118 01:19:12,022 --> 01:19:14,727 There's not a one of 'em who's any good. 1119 01:19:16,485 --> 01:19:18,977 I mean, what's happening in here? 1120 01:19:19,072 --> 01:19:21,647 I speak my piece, and you... 1121 01:19:22,451 --> 01:19:24,528 Listen to me. 1122 01:19:25,287 --> 01:19:27,781 I... We're... we're... 1123 01:19:27,876 --> 01:19:32,454 This kid on trial here. His type. Well, don't you know about them? 1124 01:19:33,299 --> 01:19:35,789 There's a... There's a danger here. 1125 01:19:36,844 --> 01:19:39,005 These people are dangerous. 1126 01:19:39,098 --> 01:19:41,387 They're... wild. 1127 01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:44,803 Listen to me. Listen to me. 1128 01:19:45,398 --> 01:19:49,396 I have. Now, sit down and don't open your mouth again. 1129 01:19:53,326 --> 01:19:56,161 Some of the time... I tell you. 1130 01:20:32,583 --> 01:20:38,090 It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. 1131 01:20:38,175 --> 01:20:43,681 Wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth. 1132 01:20:43,766 --> 01:20:46,138 I don't really know what the truth is. 1133 01:20:46,226 --> 01:20:50,440 I don't suppose anybody will ever really know. 1134 01:20:50,524 --> 01:20:54,310 Nine of us now seem to feel that the defendant is innocent. 1135 01:20:54,404 --> 01:20:59,530 But we're just gambling on probabilities. We may be wrong. 1136 01:20:59,619 --> 01:21:05,576 We may be trying to let a guilty man go free. I don't know. Nobody really can. 1137 01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:07,958 But we have a reasonable doubt. 1138 01:21:08,047 --> 01:21:11,797 And that's something that's very valuable in our system. 1139 01:21:11,886 --> 01:21:16,513 No jury can declare a man guilty unless it's sure. 1140 01:21:17,643 --> 01:21:23,018 We nine can't understand how you three are still so sure. 1141 01:21:24,026 --> 01:21:26,518 - Maybe you can tell us. - I'll try. 1142 01:21:27,365 --> 01:21:31,028 You've made some excellent points, but I still believe the boy is guilty. 1143 01:21:31,118 --> 01:21:35,581 I have two reasons. One: The evidence given by the woman across the street, 1144 01:21:35,667 --> 01:21:38,503 who actually saw the murder committed. 1145 01:21:38,587 --> 01:21:41,293 That's the most important testimony. 1146 01:21:41,383 --> 01:21:44,005 And two: The fact that she described the stabbing 1147 01:21:44,095 --> 01:21:47,215 by saying she saw the boy raise his arm over his head 1148 01:21:47,306 --> 01:21:50,226 and stab down into the father's chest. 1149 01:21:50,311 --> 01:21:54,309 - She saw him do it, the wrong way. - That's absolutely right. 1150 01:21:54,774 --> 01:21:57,183 Let's talk about this woman for a moment. 1151 01:21:57,278 --> 01:22:00,445 She said she went to bed about eleven o'clock that night. 1152 01:22:00,532 --> 01:22:03,867 Her bed was next to the window, and she could look out 1153 01:22:03,953 --> 01:22:08,082 and see directly into the boy's room across the street. 1154 01:22:08,167 --> 01:22:10,705 She tossed and turned for over an hour. 1155 01:22:10,795 --> 01:22:14,960 Finally, she turned toward the window at about 10 minutes after 12, 1156 01:22:15,051 --> 01:22:20,391 and as she looked out, she saw the killing through the windows of a passing el train. 1157 01:22:20,474 --> 01:22:22,882 She said the lights went out after the killing, 1158 01:22:22,977 --> 01:22:28,769 but that she got a good look at the boy in the act of stabbing his father. 1159 01:22:28,861 --> 01:22:33,404 As far as I can see it, this is unshakeable testimony. 1160 01:22:33,491 --> 01:22:37,027 - Well, that's the whole case. - What do you think? 1161 01:22:41,711 --> 01:22:43,788 How about you? 1162 01:22:45,089 --> 01:22:51,379 I don't know. So much evidence to sift. This is a pretty complicated business. 1163 01:22:51,473 --> 01:22:55,425 Frankly, I don't see how you can vote for acquittal. 1164 01:22:55,521 --> 01:22:59,685 - It's not so easy to arrange the evidence. - Throw out all the other evidence! 1165 01:22:59,775 --> 01:23:03,394 The woman saw him do it! What else do you want? 1166 01:23:03,488 --> 01:23:05,648 - Well, maybe... - Let's vote on it. 1167 01:23:05,742 --> 01:23:09,611 OK, there's another vote called for. Anyone object? 1168 01:23:09,706 --> 01:23:11,948 All right. I'm changing my vote. 1169 01:23:12,041 --> 01:23:15,246 - He's guilty. - Anybody else? The vote is eight to four. 1170 01:23:15,338 --> 01:23:18,872 Why is this such a personal triumph for you, this one vote? 1171 01:23:18,966 --> 01:23:22,420 OK. I say we're a hung jury. I say we take it in to the judge. 1172 01:23:22,514 --> 01:23:25,432 How about it? I wanna hear arguments. 1173 01:23:25,518 --> 01:23:29,267 You, you're the leader of the cause. What about it? 1174 01:23:30,147 --> 01:23:33,934 - Let's go over it again. - We've been over it again. 1175 01:23:34,029 --> 01:23:38,822 The boy in the grey flannel suit is bouncin' back and forth like a tennis ball. 1176 01:23:38,910 --> 01:23:44,367 There's no point in getting nasty. You keep trying to turn this into a contest. 1177 01:23:45,001 --> 01:23:46,080 OK. 1178 01:23:46,168 --> 01:23:49,255 Maybe we can talk about setting some kind of time limit. 1179 01:23:49,341 --> 01:23:52,259 Yeah. Once around for the deal, huh? 1180 01:23:52,345 --> 01:23:58,183 It's... a quarter after six. Someone before mentioned seven o'clock. 1181 01:23:58,270 --> 01:24:03,977 That's a point at which we might begin to discuss whether we're a hung jury or not. 1182 01:24:04,068 --> 01:24:08,945 - Don't you feel well? - I feel perfectly well, thank you. 1183 01:24:09,032 --> 01:24:11,989 I was saying seven o'clock would be a reasonable time... 1184 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:16,326 The reason I asked that was because you were rubbing your nose like... 1185 01:24:16,417 --> 01:24:19,086 Oh, I'm sorry for interrupting. 1186 01:24:19,170 --> 01:24:22,588 But you made a gesture that reminded me of something. 1187 01:24:22,676 --> 01:24:27,587 - I'm trying to settle something here. - Well, I think this is important. 1188 01:24:27,807 --> 01:24:32,186 Thank you. Now, then. I'm sure you'll pardon me for this, 1189 01:24:32,271 --> 01:24:35,309 but I was wondering why you rub your nose like that. 1190 01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:36,681 Come on, will you? 1191 01:24:36,777 --> 01:24:41,239 At this point I happen to be talking to the gentleman sitting next to you. 1192 01:24:41,324 --> 01:24:44,741 Now, why were you rubbing your nose like that? 1193 01:24:44,828 --> 01:24:48,744 If it's any of your business, I was rubbing it because it bothers me a little. 1194 01:24:48,834 --> 01:24:52,832 Oh, I'm sorry. Is it... Is it because of your eyeglasses? 1195 01:24:52,922 --> 01:24:56,459 It is. Now could we get on to something else? 1196 01:24:56,553 --> 01:25:01,096 Your eyeglasses made those two deep impressions on the sides of your nose. 1197 01:25:01,182 --> 01:25:04,768 I hadn't noticed that before. That must be annoying. 1198 01:25:04,855 --> 01:25:06,931 It is very annoying. 1199 01:25:07,024 --> 01:25:12,449 I wouldn't know about that. I've never worn eyeglasses. 20/20. 1200 01:25:12,532 --> 01:25:16,744 Listen, will you come on already with the optometrist bit? 1201 01:25:16,829 --> 01:25:20,496 The woman who testified that she saw the killing 1202 01:25:20,585 --> 01:25:24,797 had those same marks on the sides of her nose. 1203 01:25:24,881 --> 01:25:26,957 Holy smoke! He's right. 1204 01:25:27,050 --> 01:25:32,757 Please. Just give me a minute... and I'll be finished. 1205 01:25:32,849 --> 01:25:35,805 I don't know if anyone else noticed that about her. 1206 01:25:35,895 --> 01:25:42,813 I didn't think of it then, but I've been going over her face... in my mind. 1207 01:25:42,904 --> 01:25:47,152 She had those same marks. She kept rubbing them in court. 1208 01:25:47,577 --> 01:25:50,994 He's right. She did do that a lot. 1209 01:25:51,082 --> 01:25:54,868 This woman was about 45 years old. 1210 01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,878 She was making a tremendous effort to look 35. 1211 01:25:59,968 --> 01:26:05,510 For her first public appearance. Heavy make-up. Dyed hair. 1212 01:26:05,601 --> 01:26:09,434 Brand-new clothes that should have been worn by a younger woman. 1213 01:26:09,523 --> 01:26:15,478 No glasses. Well, women do that. See if you can get a mental picture of her. 1214 01:26:15,571 --> 01:26:19,108 What do you mean, no glasses? How do you know whether she wore glasses? 1215 01:26:19,202 --> 01:26:22,572 - Just cos she was rubbin' her nose? - She had those marks. I saw 'em. 1216 01:26:22,665 --> 01:26:26,036 - So? What do you think that means? - I'm sick of your yellin'... 1217 01:26:26,129 --> 01:26:27,622 Come on. Forget it. 1218 01:26:27,713 --> 01:26:32,292 Hey, listen. Listen, he's right. I saw them too. I was the closest one to her. 1219 01:26:32,385 --> 01:26:35,471 She had these things on the side of her nose. 1220 01:26:35,766 --> 01:26:37,475 What point are you makin'? 1221 01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,178 She had dyed hair, marks on her nose. What does that mean? 1222 01:26:41,272 --> 01:26:45,853 Could those marks be made by anything other than eyeglasses? 1223 01:26:49,282 --> 01:26:51,407 No. They couldn't. 1224 01:26:51,495 --> 01:26:53,986 I didn't see any marks! 1225 01:26:55,457 --> 01:26:59,587 I did. Strange, but I didn't think about it before. 1226 01:26:59,671 --> 01:27:01,914 Why didn't the lawyer say something? 1227 01:27:02,008 --> 01:27:04,962 There are twelve people in here concentrating on this case. 1228 01:27:05,053 --> 01:27:08,756 - Eleven of us didn't think of it either. - What about the district attorney? 1229 01:27:08,851 --> 01:27:12,385 You think he'd pull that? Have her testify without her glasses? 1230 01:27:12,478 --> 01:27:16,728 Ever see a woman who didn't want to wear them because they spoil her looks? 1231 01:27:16,819 --> 01:27:21,612 OK. She had marks on her nose. I'm givin' you that. 1232 01:27:21,700 --> 01:27:25,035 From glasses, right? She didn't wanna wear 'em out of the house 1233 01:27:25,122 --> 01:27:28,158 so people'd think she's gorgeous. 1234 01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:32,579 But when she saw this kid killin' his father, she was in the house alone. 1235 01:27:32,671 --> 01:27:34,750 That's all. 1236 01:27:34,883 --> 01:27:37,341 Do you wear glasses when you go to bed? 1237 01:27:37,429 --> 01:27:39,505 No. I don't. 1238 01:27:40,557 --> 01:27:42,598 No one wears eyeglasses to bed. 1239 01:27:42,686 --> 01:27:47,265 It's logical to assume that she wasn't wearing them in bed. 1240 01:27:47,358 --> 01:27:49,815 - How do you know? - I don't know. I'm guessing. 1241 01:27:49,904 --> 01:27:54,567 I'm also guessing that she didn't put them on when she looked out of the window. 1242 01:27:54,660 --> 01:27:57,779 She testified the killing took place just as she looked out. 1243 01:27:57,870 --> 01:28:00,873 The lights went off. She didn't have time to put them on. 1244 01:28:00,959 --> 01:28:04,828 Here's another guess. She honestly thought she saw the boy kill his father. 1245 01:28:04,922 --> 01:28:08,424 - I say she only saw a blur. - How do you know what she saw? 1246 01:28:08,512 --> 01:28:12,010 How does he know all that? How do you know what glasses she wore? 1247 01:28:12,098 --> 01:28:16,015 Maybe they were sunglasses! Maybe she was far-sighted! What do you know? 1248 01:28:16,104 --> 01:28:19,106 I only know the woman's eyesight is in question now. 1249 01:28:19,191 --> 01:28:25,232 She had to be able to identify a person 60 feet away, at night, without glasses. 1250 01:28:25,325 --> 01:28:28,326 You can't send someone off to die on evidence like that. 1251 01:28:28,412 --> 01:28:29,906 Aw, don't give me that. 1252 01:28:29,997 --> 01:28:32,999 - Might she not have made a mistake? - No. 1253 01:28:33,210 --> 01:28:36,247 - It's not possible? - No, it's not possible. 1254 01:28:39,509 --> 01:28:41,586 Is it possible? 1255 01:28:42,472 --> 01:28:44,548 Not guilty. 1256 01:28:48,272 --> 01:28:50,893 Do you think he's guilty? 1257 01:28:50,983 --> 01:28:53,272 I think he's guilty. 1258 01:28:55,781 --> 01:28:57,857 Do you? 1259 01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:01,614 No. 1260 01:29:01,705 --> 01:29:04,742 I'm convinced. Not guilty. 1261 01:29:04,835 --> 01:29:08,786 - What's the matter with you? - I have a reasonable doubt now. 1262 01:29:08,881 --> 01:29:11,965 - It's eleven to one. - What about all the other evidence? 1263 01:29:12,050 --> 01:29:15,636 What about all that stuff? The... The knife? The whole business? 1264 01:29:15,723 --> 01:29:19,805 Well, you said we could throw out all the other evidence. 1265 01:29:24,402 --> 01:29:26,893 Well, what do we do now? 1266 01:29:29,741 --> 01:29:31,616 You're alone. 1267 01:29:31,702 --> 01:29:35,998 I don't care whether I'm alone or not. It's my right. 1268 01:29:38,337 --> 01:29:40,329 It's your right. 1269 01:29:49,810 --> 01:29:52,764 Well, what do you want? I say he's guilty. 1270 01:29:53,606 --> 01:29:57,818 - We want to hear your arguments. - I gave you my arguments. 1271 01:29:58,237 --> 01:30:01,986 We're not convinced. We want to hear them again. 1272 01:30:03,117 --> 01:30:05,906 We have as much time as it takes. 1273 01:30:10,878 --> 01:30:17,214 Everything-every single thing that took place in that courtroom says he's guilty. 1274 01:30:17,303 --> 01:30:20,424 What do you think? I'm an idiot or somethin'? 1275 01:30:21,476 --> 01:30:27,182 Take that stuff about the old man, who lived there and heard everything! 1276 01:30:28,443 --> 01:30:32,109 Or this business about the knife. They found another one exactly like it? 1277 01:30:32,198 --> 01:30:35,698 The old man saw him! Right there, on the stairs. 1278 01:30:35,786 --> 01:30:39,406 What's the difference how many seconds it was? 1279 01:30:39,916 --> 01:30:46,170 Every single thing. The knife fallin' through a hole in his pocket. 1280 01:30:46,257 --> 01:30:49,924 You can't prove he didn't get to the door! 1281 01:30:50,013 --> 01:30:54,760 Sure, you can take all the time, hobble around the room, but you can't prove it! 1282 01:30:57,313 --> 01:31:00,350 And what about this business of the el? And the movies? 1283 01:31:00,442 --> 01:31:03,730 There's a phoney deal if I ever heard one. 1284 01:31:03,823 --> 01:31:07,822 I'll bet you $5,000 I'd remember the movies I saw. 1285 01:31:07,912 --> 01:31:14,116 I'm tellin' you, everything that's gone on has been twisted and turned! 1286 01:31:14,210 --> 01:31:17,912 This business with the glasses? How do you know she didn't have 'em on? 1287 01:31:18,007 --> 01:31:21,378 This woman testified in open court! 1288 01:31:22,139 --> 01:31:26,005 And what about hearin' the kid yell? Huh? 1289 01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:30,266 I'm tellin' ya, I've got all the facts here. 1290 01:31:30,691 --> 01:31:32,767 Here... 1291 01:31:34,821 --> 01:31:38,156 Well, that's it. That's the whole case. 1292 01:31:44,625 --> 01:31:46,702 Well? 1293 01:31:48,463 --> 01:31:50,541 Say something! 1294 01:31:55,556 --> 01:31:58,927 You lousy bunch of bleedin' hearts. 1295 01:31:59,727 --> 01:32:04,974 You're not gonna intimidate me. I'm entitled to my opinion. 1296 01:32:07,531 --> 01:32:11,279 Rotten kids... You work your life out! 1297 01:32:23,176 --> 01:32:25,251 No... 1298 01:32:28,807 --> 01:32:30,885 Not guilty. 1299 01:32:34,107 --> 01:32:36,184 Not guilty. 1300 01:32:51,630 --> 01:32:53,707 We're ready now. 1301 01:34:46,654 --> 01:34:48,731 Hey! 1302 01:34:52,955 --> 01:34:55,956 - What's your name? - Davis. 1303 01:34:56,041 --> 01:34:58,118 My name's McCardle. 1304 01:35:00,422 --> 01:35:03,128 - Well, so long. - So long.